rec.autos.simulators

Why doesn't anyone talk about F1 on Psygnosis?  I've played GP2 and the
playability is just inferior!  I can appreciate all the options GP2 but
Psygnosis F1 has just better playability.  It's more realistic handling.
It's just a better race.  I get a total rush playing this game.  I haven't
quite yet playing GP2.  
With the Mad CATZ steering wheel this game is the absoute best game I've
ever played.
Have any of you GP2 gurus even tried it?
Maybe you shouldn't.  You may not want to play GP2 again!

Sincerely,

Bryan Petray

Hi Bryan:

   Most of us prefer PC based sims.  I was under the impression
that this is a console product, with a PC version available "any
day now".  

   Is it available for the PC yet?  Everybody who loves F1 is upset
that MicroProse has abandoned the great, but flawed, GP2.  I think
we're all waiting for this, and Starting Grid.  

                                                            Larry

From what I hear (secret sources<g>) Formula 1 will most likely
fall into the "sim" catagory - and be quite a success...While SG
may not last more than 30-min on a purist's hardrive.

I guess we'll have to wait and see for ourselves.

Best Regards,

Marc

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
http://members.aol.com/simracing

There has been no shortage of comments saying the same thing about
GP2.

Comparing bug lists isn't a particularly valid way to rate the two
sims.

Randy

maybe when it will be released for the pc we might talk about it...

once again, I am skeptical of your experience with F1.  IMO the small
number of small bugs in GP2 dosen't compare to the many faults with F1.
If you think GP2 is a beta than F1 is a 1/10 finished beta, or at least
the playstation version is (the only one released to date).

That's why I didn't post it.

  Big snip

The original posts' message only stated that he was having a  lot of fun
with Formula One.  He didn't say it was a thorough, detailed simulation
of Grand Prix racing.

I'm not attacking anyone or saying which game is best. I enjoy a good
sim (WC1, Nascar) as much as the next guy but I have to say that
Psygnosis' game is a great 'racing' game.  Its very fast with nicely
done tracks. I admit that the game has its flaws. The depth certainly
isn't what it could be.  I think the lack of that depth is what takes
away its 'simulation' appeal.  But to be able to just fire it up and get
racing...boy thats fun.

You seemed to be bothered by the fact that the vehicle suffers little or
no damage when you hit a concrete wall at top speeds.  I figure that if
I hit a wall at 150 Km/hr I need to work on that corner of the track a
bit more.  I've learned that you'll never win a race doing things like
that. Maybe on the easy setting but never with the difficulty setting on
hard.

A previous poster mentioned that he 'learned' that is was possible to
get through the corners without braking  by hitting the car in front of
him.  This is true...you COULD do this and suffer very little for it.
But even a non-racer knows that this is unsportsmanlike and dangerous. I
understand that the dedicated 'simmers' want the game to penalize the
driver for things like this.  Maybe its because I race karts (I know
you're happy for me) that I've developed an instinct to do everything
possible to avoid hitting my fellow competitors.

Anyway, despite the games' flaws it is by far the best racing game
available to the Playstation system.  As far as comparing it to the PC
games...no its not as detailed as WC2 and its certainly not as realistic
either...  but I know that when I turn on my 31" monitor, crank up the
100 watt Dolby Surround receiver, clutch the Mad Catz steering wheel
that I'll be gunning for somebody or the track record.

Lee

that's not the main problem I have.  The biggest problems are the
shortcuts and the pit stop bugs.

karts are a great way to get into racing.  nothing to be ashamed of
there.

exactly.  A game shouldn't encourage you to run into the back of other
cars at 200 MPH.

it is, but that's not saying much

a) Tracks which are the spitting images of the real thing, and more up
to date to boot
b) Don't have to turn off detail to get a good frame rate
c) Cars are modelled after actual team performance unlike GP2 where
grabbing a Ligier is as good as grabbing a Williams
d) Higher speeds in the corners (part of what happens when you scrunch
the hell out of the tracks).

I spent a lot of time with GP2 working on setups and lap times, but
overall I like the look and feel of driving the cars and tracks in F1
more.  Granted, F1 sacrifices a lot of sim features such as car setup,
damage realism, and some other stuff, but overall I think its a great
product.  As far as the bugs go..yes F1 has a few serious bugs, the
biggest among them being the crappy AI (I can't believe they try to
highlight the AI as a great feature in this game -- there is none),
but in terms of doing lap after lap improving times, I still love F1
better.

You may be right.  However, if I don't find GP2 tracks particularly
realistic to drive, it doesn't really matter to me as much if there
are fewer bugs....it just means that the sim is flawlessly inaccurate
<G>

Randy

According to Visiware's website, Starting Grid will be released
"First Quarter 97".  They do not mention 3D cards, but they talk alot
about their 3d engine, which is supposed to be very good.  For some
excellent screen shots in the RAIN!! check out:
http://genius.rider.edu/~salmon/index.htm
This site claims Starting Grid will support the Rendition, but it is
not an official Visiware site.

--

"Feel Lucky, Scubaboy?" - Discovery Channel, Shark Week, 1995

Flawlessly inaccurate or accurately flawed - tough choice <bg>

I've only seen rolling demos of F1 and I must say that it looks superb.
But I would never buy a racing game that wasn't a genuine sim as it is
the sensation of driving a racing car that turns me on rather than the
eye candy. Still, PC F1 sounds like it just might combine both <g>

Cheers,
Richard

Power F1 is already out.
We might do better talking about Power F1 than F1 / Psygnosis.

Has anyone tried it ??

:Power F1 is already out.
:We might do better talking about Power F1 than F1 / Psygnosis.
:
:Has anyone tried it ??

tried it, and spit it out...

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