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by **Andy McCardl** » Sat, 09 Sep 1995 04:00:00

I don't think you're dreaming about this. During one yellow flag
pit stop at Bristol, the pace car came into the pits, lost control,
and hit me! I have the replay saved on disk, too. Did the NASCAR
programers plan for these things to happen, or is it so random that

by **George Lew** » Sat, 09 Sep 1995 04:00:00

You're doing *something right* then <grin>!!

That's just the breaks. 80 lapper at C***te (night race). I'm
running up front, thinking, geez, I can't go the distance on fuel, I
need to pit. I'm about 8 laps shy of a full run. I wait and wait and
wait. No yellow - the race went green the entire time! Well, I
finally made my stop. The *very next lap*, they start making their
stops. I pitted with about 12 to go. Turns out I wound up winning
the race. But I didn't go exactly down pit road at 55 mph, I went
like 45-50 cause I couldn't risk blowing it. I think those computer
cars go 55 exactly.

How about that Rick? Do those computer cars go exactly 55? How about
building a "fudge" factor into the game, where if you just peak 55 to
say, 56, 57 mph by accident and drop it off really quick back to below
that, you don't get penalized (human factor) or maybe just maybe, that
nascar timing official *wasn't checking you that time* hehehe they do
that in real life I do believe. Just thoughts. My real question is do
the computer cars ever get busted for pit-road speed violations?

Never had that happen. Can't comment on that.

Try it at Bristol (grin) if ole Ironhead is out there, he just might
plow into you on the last lap (like what happened to Terry Labonte a
few weeks ago) <big grin> I got nailed once coming out of pit lane on
a YELLOW. Tore my car up good, took me out of the winning contention.
As so many drivers would say, "yeah, we had a great car, we could'a
won today. what a shame, I really hated that for the race team and
all...."

Go #6 Mark Martin and #16 Ted Musgrave - Jack Roush Racing!!
NASCAR Racing!!

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by **Steven R. Matth** » Sat, 09 Sep 1995 04:00:00

I'm very fortunate to be leading the points in the current 'season' in
which I am running. A few things, though, are driving me completely nuts.

1. Am I the only one who has such horrendous luck as to making green
flag pitstops (not by choice) and having the yellow come out almost
immediately EVERY TIME???? Today I was fortunate at Talladega,
everyone else had already made a stop, but at places such as
Martinsville, this can really be annoying.

2. Today at Talladega, I got into a minor scrape which brought out the
caution, no damage, all OK. Then I noticed that although the yellow
was displayed the cars all stayed at racing speed and continued passing
until the green came out. Another caution came out and the same thing
happened, in fact I was lapped during this caution. I was fit to be
tied, my wife thought I had finally lost it for sure.

3. This may have been an illusion, but at a recent Martinsville race, I
was hit in the rear about 13 times by other cars, most of them coming
out of their groove 'special' to meet me.

Sorry, folks, I'm sure after the heat of battle, you have been frustrated
too. These must just be my imagination running wild.

Steven R. Matthew

by **RickGent** » Sat, 09 Sep 1995 04:00:00

How about that Rick? Do those computer cars go exactly 55? How about
building a "fudge" factor into the game, where if you just peak 55 to
say, 56, 57 mph by accident and drop it off really quick back to below
that, you don't get penalized (human factor) or maybe just maybe, that
nascar timing official *wasn't checking you that time* hehehe they do
that in real life I do believe. Just thoughts.
<<<

It already works this way (at least in 1.2). Have you ever turned on
autobraking in the pits and watched your speed momentarily go to 56, yet
you don't get a black flag? The NASCAR official was distracted :-).

Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II/NASCAR Racing for Macintosh/Windows
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

by **George Lew** » Sun, 10 Sep 1995 04:00:00

>How about that Rick? Do those computer cars go exactly 55? How about
>building a "fudge" factor into the game, where if you just peak 55 to
>say, 56, 57 mph by accident and drop it off really quick back to below
>that, you don't get penalized (human factor) or maybe just maybe, that
>nascar timing official *wasn't checking you that time* hehehe they do
>that in real life I do believe. Just thoughts.
><<<
>It already works this way (at least in 1.2). Have you ever turned on
>autobraking in the pits and watched your speed momentarily go to 56, yet
>you don't get a black flag? The NASCAR official was distracted :-).

No, I haven't tried that... I guess I live by that Big Johnson shirt,
Brakes are for #$!#!! hehehehe, thanks Rick!

Professional Consultant

by **Mark Potochn** » Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:00:00

: I think those computer cars go 55 exactly.

The real Indy cars have a botton that let them go at exactly the right speed.
In NASCAR I don't worry about it, I back up and go around the wall...

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by **pens..** » Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:00:00

me too

by **Chuck Lamphea** » Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Your problem where the pace car hit you in the pits in completely random.
My guess is that when the green flag dropped you were pitting. The pace
car must go in the pits no matter what. It is true that when the green
flag drops, the pace car goes where there are no other cars. Had the green
dropped and a car was on the Pace car's driver side the pace car will go
to the outside instead of into the pits. The same goes for if a car is on
the outside, the pace car goes in. It has happened to me when Dale
Earnhardt forced the Pace Car into me.

JOE

by **John H. Rutled** » Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:00:00

This "pit rampage" problem happened to me too. Don't remember the
track, but I had a scrape with Bobby Labonte and had to pit to repair
the damage. The caution was definately still out and Labonte came
into the pits very wide to the outside and just floored it at me.
Needless to say my car was toast. I must have watched the replay 25
times form all kinds of angles. It was very obvious he was gunning at
me. I was (still am) amazed at what happened.

John

>Your problem where the pace car hit you in the pits in completely random.
>My guess is that when the green flag dropped you were pitting. The pace
>car must go in the pits no matter what. It is true that when the green
>flag drops, the pace car goes where there are no other cars. Had the green
>dropped and a car was on the Pace car's driver side the pace car will go
>to the outside instead of into the pits. The same goes for if a car is on
>the outside, the pace car goes in. It has happened to me when Dale
>Earnhardt forced the Pace Car into me.
> JOE

by **George Lew** » Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:00:00

>Your problem where the pace car hit you in the pits in completely random.
>My guess is that when the green flag dropped you were pitting. The pace
>car must go in the pits no matter what. It is true that when the green
>flag drops, the pace car goes where there are no other cars. Had the green
>dropped and a car was on the Pace car's driver side the pace car will go
>to the outside instead of into the pits. The same goes for if a car is on
>the outside, the pace car goes in. It has happened to me when Dale
>Earnhardt forced the Pace Car into me.

Glad to see you aboard buddy! Hmmm, Dale pushed Elmo into you? Dang,
they got that AI down really good huh? grin.

I for one am very grateful for the update with the yellow flags. Now
I can actually tell when I've picked up the yellow, instead of going
down a position (or more!) or crashing into the back of the pack
because I thought I was still racing to the yellow. good job Papyrus!

Go #6 Mark Martin and #16 Ted Musgrave - Jack Roush Racing!!
NASCAR Racing!!

http://innet.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.html <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

by **Patrick L. Dotso** » Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:00:00

>It already works this way (at least in 1.2). Have you ever turned on
>autobraking in the pits and watched your speed momentarily go to 56, yet
>you don't get a black flag? The NASCAR official was distracted :-).

Yes, I tried alt-b in the pits, but it went 56 for a split-second and I was
black-flagged (not to mention pi**ed!) Is using alt-b in the pits supposed to
work every time?

by **RickGent** » Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Is using alt-b in the pits supposed to
work every time?
<<<

It's SUPPOSED to :-).

Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II/NASCAR Racing for Macintosh/Windows
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

by **mdonn..** » Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:00:00

I don't know if it is supposed to, but it does. I've tried the alt-b
rout while sitting in the pits and have yet to draw the dreaded black flag.

I'm using version 1.2. (I have yet to get ver 1.21)

Mike

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