I'm leaving your post intact because i'm just replying in general. I
figured this might be a touchy subject but was really looking for opinions.
Hopefully it won't devolve in to any namecalling. I'm 45 thanks so have had
my real license for a few years. Nothing but a holographic projection is
going to equal real cars. I do understand your point of view. I was
expecting it from players who are really in to racing sims ***. That's
not the case with me or most of these I was playing with. At least I didn't
think so. I was just playing for fun. I never bought a wheel because I
didn't play often enough to make it worth the bother.
I recently did get a logitech Wingman wheel but was trying to make the ones
who only have a keyboard more competitive. Frankly, It's more fun for me to
just race offline against the computer then to race online with guys who
think they're too good for assistance yet can hardly make one lap around
without banging the wall and running down on the apron. They're incapable
of running a smooth line so anyone coming up from behind them has to wait
till they hit the wall or go on to the apron to make a pass. At least if
you dont want to be put in to the wall yourself.
The kicker in this is these same guys who can't control their cars without
driving aids and say the aids are cheating are playing the game with damage
turned OFF and hurtling all over themselves to download some great new track
setup :) They'd never complete a race if they didn't.
>EGK,
> Your touching the subject that is about like twisting your mom's tit.
><G>
> I want to be nice and say I agree, use the aids (I guess, but I never
>would) to make yourself stay on track... IMHO though, with driving aids,
>you start down the path in "Sim Life" with a crutch that you wont ever
>force yourself to toss, until a new game comes along that wont help you
>drive <twas GPL>. some games driving help hinders once you reach a
>reasonable threshold of performance, in fact back in NR2 and NR3 days this
>was still true. but in NR03, it isn't necessarily a hindrance like it used
>to. The big fight is now, even with wheels many use the "aids" to run cars
>that "only the computer could possibly control" I guess that seems ok to
>them, as they thing this is the same playfield as flying f-15's?
> About racing online with NASCAR racing 2003 is ludicrous at best
>with a friggin keyboard. Sorry I feel that way, I think you will find
>60-80% feel that way. Believe me, I don't say it, because your stupid, nor
>would you hear me with any remark about your heritage, but all ONLY because
>you ***ARE MISSING OUT on the EXPERIENCE*** !!! Nintendo and Playstation
>games are made for keyboard commandos, even if you have a good wheel the
>game doesn't actually allow you to control the car in a true sense of
>controlling (& this means the car reacting and you reacting to the car...
>realistically (maybe when you get your license they will drive cars in
>real life with keyboards and digital joypads?) just guessing?
> Wheels aren't that expensive, and for that matter, neither are
>joysticks. NR (the whole series) is really for the crowd that can see the
>issues of racing & actually controlling the car like you would in real life
>"ish". I grant you that they left the keyboard option in so you could at
>least get a taste. Most of us been around a while, I actually bought the
>1st version of NASCAR racing by papy, 2 times. once as 4 or 5 floppy
>install, later better resolution it came on CDrom. From right on, it was so
>obvious that for me to enjoy this I would have to buy at least 1 joystick
>( I was cheap at 1st and in college, paid for myself BTW). One joystick
>didn't do it for me, so months later I got another, one to gas & brake, one
>to turn. Then about a year later I bought a wheel/pedal set.
> Something about this game ( and other papy sims) that make you want to
>take over the controls. Sure keyboard kinda worked, but not really ever ...
>was the car doing what I wanted it to do. How can you stand to drive
>knowing that your really only controlling oh about <10% of what the car is
>doing? I would be frustrated to all get out... that in fact I was, I
>bought me a wheel, dam it was worth every penny at the time too!
>(Thrustmaster T-2, 149.99 via mail-order in Jan, 1996.)
> Can buy wheels now used on ebay for about 30 and change, if you are
>careful.
>Sure it sounds "elitist" with the wheel thing? Sorry, I was trying like
>hell to be fair...
>> What are the opinions of some of you guys about using steering assists in
>> Nascar 2003?
>> I just joined an informal group running weekly races and had always used
>> the keyboard since I didn't have a wheel. Most of the people racing in
>this
>> group are pretty inexperienced but most have wheels.
>> Well, some new guys joined and used the keyboard too. I made the mistake
>of
>> telling them that on the keyboard, the steering assists were your friend.
>> Traction control, for instance, is on by default and greyed out when using
>> the keyboard to steer. I also said to turn on stability and set steering
>> assitance to about 60 to smooth out the key imput, otherwise it was like
>> jerking the wheel of a car back and forth hard all the way around the
>track.
>> Anyway, now i'm catching flack from the guys using the steering wheels who
>> say that's cheating and they're going to go to the patched game so they
>can
>> turn off all assists on the server side.
>> What gets me is most of these guys using wheels who think they're too good
>> to need assistance are basically banging the walls and running back down
>to
>> the apron all the way around the track. Am I wrong in thinking it's more
>> fun to race guys who can at least run a smooth line rather then people who
>> turn all assists off and can't make it once around without hitting the
>wall
>> or spinning out? I thought the whole idea of putting those in the game
>was
>> to make people more competitive. They claim using all the steering
>> assistance they can run around the tracks without touching their wheels at
>> all. That may be true on some tracks but you then have to steer with the
>> throttle and they don't mention what happens if you're running side by
>side
>> with someone else since the assistance tends to keep you in the preferred
>> groove which you can't always run in.
>> Anyway, how do the more experienced guys racing in online leagues deal
>with
>> the issue of steering assists?
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