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Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

Don Wilsh

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Don Wilsh » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:29:53

I have a questions and that is steering or control devices.  Do they really
make
a difference in the performance of Nascar 2003.   Have you changed steering
wheels
and actually ran faster.  have you changed from USB to Gameport or visa
versa and
seen a difference.   All wheels must preform the same i would think and
anything other
than the same would be a bug in the software and that just isnt possible...

So I ask the question?   Does anyone really believe that changing wheels
makes you
really go faster?

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Aaron Markha

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Aaron Markha » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:33:48

Yes. I have a 7 year old Thrustmaster T2 steering wheel that is barely
holding together. I recently tried a TSW2 with split axis and I could not
get used to it. Granted the wheel was used and the potentiometer was pretty
wore out. I might try it again after I get new potentiometer for the wheel,
but I was much faster with my trusty ol' Thrusmaster T2.

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Don Wilsh

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Don Wilsh » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:35:53

thanks for the reply

don


Jan Verschuere

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:55:45

Not really... I have made certain jumps in understanding/ability, but these
did not coincide with wheel changes. If anything, a new wheel tended to make
me slower for a short while, until I got used to it. Then the "normal"
learning process resumed.

Force feedback helped my consistency a lot though.

Jan.
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Bamada

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Bamada » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:42:06

<snip>

I don't know about faster but I know a change can slow one down. Since my
trusty TM pro died I have used MS FF and Momo racing and slowed considerably.
But it's only been a year ;)
Dan

J.D. Elli

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by J.D. Elli » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:32:18


So when's the sales pitch for ECCI et. al. come?

Seems like a loaded question coming from you...

-jde

Eldre

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Eldre » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:58:16



>I have a questions and that is steering or control devices.  Do they really
>make
>a difference in the performance of Nascar 2003.   Have you changed steering
>wheels
>and actually ran faster.  have you changed from USB to Gameport or visa
>versa and
>seen a difference.   All wheels must preform the same i would think and
>anything other
>than the same would be a bug in the software and that just isnt possible...

>So I ask the question?   Does anyone really believe that changing wheels
>makes you
>really go faster?

Changing wheels can make you faster simply because you have more control.  When
I changed from a T2 to a TSW, the response was much smoother.  Which meant that
I had better control of the car, and could go faster.  I don't see that as
being specific to any one particular game.
All wheels do *not* perform the same.  I don't think there's much difference
between the more expensive wheels as a group, or between the low end wheels as
a group.  But I *definitely* see a difference between the low end and high end
wheels.  Does that help?

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Mar

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Mar » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:57:49

Moving from combined to split axis gave more control, moving to FF
made holding a line on an oval far easier.  Tried various TM products,
now use a Momo with aftermarket pedals.

Other than going FF, wheels I've tried have all been much of a
muchness.  Pedals, on the other hand make a big difference -
especially if you prefer to drive in a 3 pedal style.

Regards,

Mark

J.R.

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by J.R. » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:21:33


> I have a questions and that is steering or control devices.  Do they
really
> make
> a difference in the performance of Nascar 2003.   Have you changed
steering
> wheels
> and actually ran faster.  have you changed from USB to Gameport or visa
> versa and
> seen a difference.   All wheels must preform the same i would think and
> anything other
> than the same would be a bug in the software and that just isnt
possible...

> So I ask the question?   Does anyone really believe that changing wheels
> makes you
> really go faster?

> Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> 10200 Betsy Parkway
> St. James City, Florida 33956
> http://www.1stenvirosafety.com

> 888 578 9600
> FAx: 888 485-8765
> USA: 239 283-1222

If switching from keyboard to wheel, yes, it makes you a helluva lot faster.
Previous experience in any type of racing vehicle will help this
tremendously, even a go-kart.

J.R.

Mario Petrinovic

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Mario Petrinovic » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:50:39

Mark :

        I agree. I had red Logitech. Was very easy to lock brakes. Now have
Thrustmaster - no problems. -- Mario

Mont

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Mont » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:54:54

I recently got an ECCI 6000 (it replaced a TSW).  Anything less is like
trying to drive with the keyboard.  The vastly improved control inherent in
the ECCI can't help but lower lap times.

Before anybody whines about the price, how much have y'all spent on video
cards in the last couple of years?  Or games?  (Hmmm, at $40 a pop, 25
titles . . .)  Why skimp on the one part of the system that connects YOU to
the race?

Of course, that's just my opinion.  I could be wrong.


> I have a questions and that is steering or control devices.  Do they
really
> make
> a difference in the performance of Nascar 2003.   Have you changed
steering
> wheels
> and actually ran faster.  have you changed from USB to Gameport or visa
> versa and
> seen a difference.   All wheels must preform the same i would think and
> anything other
> than the same would be a bug in the software and that just isnt
possible...

> So I ask the question?   Does anyone really believe that changing wheels
> makes you
> really go faster?

> Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> 10200 Betsy Parkway
> St. James City, Florida 33956
> http://www.1stenvirosafety.com

> 888 578 9600
> FAx: 888 485-8765
> USA: 239 283-1222

David Ciemn

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by David Ciemn » Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:02:26

Monty..that much difference between the ecci and tsw? I have a tsw
gt....been looking at those ecci wheels.

DC


> I recently got an ECCI 6000 (it replaced a TSW).  Anything less is like
> trying to drive with the keyboard.  The vastly improved control inherent
in
> the ECCI can't help but lower lap times.

> Before anybody whines about the price, how much have y'all spent on video
> cards in the last couple of years?  Or games?  (Hmmm, at $40 a pop, 25
> titles . . .)  Why skimp on the one part of the system that connects YOU
to
> the race?

> Of course, that's just my opinion.  I could be wrong.



> > I have a questions and that is steering or control devices.  Do they
> really
> > make
> > a difference in the performance of Nascar 2003.   Have you changed
> steering
> > wheels
> > and actually ran faster.  have you changed from USB to Gameport or visa
> > versa and
> > seen a difference.   All wheels must preform the same i would think and
> > anything other
> > than the same would be a bug in the software and that just isnt
> possible...

> > So I ask the question?   Does anyone really believe that changing wheels
> > makes you
> > really go faster?

> > Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> > 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> > 10200 Betsy Parkway
> > St. James City, Florida 33956
> > http://www.1stenvirosafety.com

> > 888 578 9600
> > FAx: 888 485-8765
> > USA: 239 283-1222

Mont

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Mont » Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:37:33

Absolutely.  If you've got the dough, go for the $999 deal.  I don't know
about the support though (TSW was extraordinary - on the good side).  It
shipped and was pressed into service within a week of the order.  This is no
stocking stuffer - five boxes at 71 pounds.

The only weakness I've found so far is in the pedal stability - if you jam
in the clutch and push in the brake, the unit will tip.  This probably has
as much to do with the way I've got the pedals set in the cradle (c.g. too
far back) as it is a design quirk.  But, since I've got my unit in a
dedicated rig I've been able to anchor the front down and the problem went
away.  The degree of adjustability in the pedals more than made up for this
minor gripe.

I can't describe the action of the wheel except to say exquisite.  The
website doesn't harp on the amount of adjustibility in the wheel in terms of
lock-to-lock and resistance, but it's there.

This wheel is going to set a new standard in design for serious simmers.

Some day I'm going to get the nerve (and skill) to jump into an on-line
race.

Again, that's just my opinion.

Don Burnett

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by Don Burnett » Mon, 01 Dec 2003 03:34:19


> I have a questions and that is steering or control devices.  Do they
> really make
> a difference in the performance of Nascar 2003.   Have you changed
> steering wheels
> and actually ran faster.  have you changed from USB to Gameport or
> visa versa and
> seen a difference.   All wheels must preform the same i would think
> and anything other
> than the same would be a bug in the software and that just isnt
> possible...

> So I ask the question?   Does anyone really believe that changing
> wheels makes you
> really go faster?

No, not at all.

Don Burnette

gord

Nascar 2003: Steering Wheels Do they really make a difference in speed?

by gord » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 01:46:14


> > I have a questions and that is steering or control devices.  Do they
> > really make
> > a difference in the performance of Nascar 2003.   Have you changed
> > steering wheels
> > and actually ran faster.  have you changed from USB to Gameport or
> > visa versa and
> > seen a difference.   All wheels must preform the same i would think
> > and anything other
> > than the same would be a bug in the software and that just isnt
> > possible...

> > So I ask the question?   Does anyone really believe that changing
> > wheels makes you
> > really go faster?

And along with those questions........has anyone changed CPU's and run faster?

After 6 years of online racing, I changed from a TM Pro Digital USB to a TSW Cup and ran
the same laps, if not slower.
So much for the "wheel makes a difference" hype.    :-(


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