rec.autos.simulators

> I cannot find any updates concerning the update being released.  The
> header and trace info in the headers of the message with the link has
> been munged.

> I do not trust this at all.............................

>Seems as tho someone is trying to prove a point...

> >www.papy.com/downloads/beta_patch7.exe

> I believe this falls under the category "not cool".

> Downloading anyway.

> Jason

>What's not cool is a company leaking something on there OFFICAL website and
>some noob telling the world that posting a link is "not cool".

>If you place something on a server and dont password protect it people will
>find it.
>Linking to a unsecure file is not illegal,  hosting the file is.

> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 02:51:26 GMT, "B.Farmer"

> >Seems as tho someone is trying to prove a point...

> It the point is "the N2003 patch kicks ass" they've made it, at least
> to me.

> I should feel bad for snagging a leaked beta, and I'm not commenting
> in more detail, but damn, it's nice.

> Jason

> some noob telling the world that posting a link is "not cool".

>I have already downloaded and installed, but won't have time to test until
>Monday as I am away for the weekend.  What are your *detailed* impressions
>of 1.1.0.0?

> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:07 -0400, "Marc Collins"

> >I have already downloaded and installed, but won't have time to test
until
> >Monday as I am away for the weekend.  What are your *detailed*
impressions
> >of 1.1.0.0?

> Can't use it online so I can't comment on that aspect.

> All I'll say is all of the problems I had personally with the
> superspeedway realism in the release version have been addressed.  I
> think anything more really would be unfair to Papy since it is a beta
> product.  The more obvious changes to the physics (as noted in the
> readme file that was posted a few weeks ago) are very impressive in my
> limited play-time and add to the immersion factor substantially.  If
> the leaked beta patch is of the same quality as the final I think
> we're in for a real treat.

> It's weird that the sim world seems to go through huge dead periods
> then within the span of a month or two we have F1 Challenge and a
> beautifully patched N2003 to play.  Not to mention Live For Speed
> which has easily given me $20 of entertainment just in the 24 hours
> I've had to play with it.

> Jason

> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:07 -0400, "Marc Collins"

> Can't use it online so I can't comment on that aspect.

> All I'll say is all of the problems I had personally with the
> superspeedway realism in the release version have been addressed.  I
> think anything more really would be unfair to Papy since it is a beta
> product.  The more obvious changes to the physics (as noted in the
> readme file that was posted a few weeks ago) are very impressive in my
> limited play-time and add to the immersion factor substantially.  If
> the leaked beta patch is of the same quality as the final I think
> we're in for a real treat.

> It's weird that the sim world seems to go through huge dead periods
> then within the span of a month or two we have F1 Challenge and a
> beautifully patched N2003 to play.  Not to mention Live For Speed
> which has easily given me $20 of entertainment just in the 24 hours
> I've had to play with it.

> Jason

>     I just tried some of the road courses and all I can say is
> steering by armstong. :-)
>     I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember
> manual steering but thats what it feels like.
>     You can't run a low steering lock because the car will wallow
> all over the track but as soon as you put the steering lock up
> trying to make sharp corners becomes hard work and makes
> my TSW uselss because I have the large sport wheel on it.
>     Moving to a smaller wheel on the MS wheel makes it tolerable
> but it doesn't feel very natural. It now feels like you are driving
> a tank around.
>     I suppose there will be tweaks and workarounds to be discovered
> but I'm not sure a lot of people will be happy with the steering
> situation. Especially with steering assist is disabled.
>     Physics wise things look excellent and there are major changes
> in the way the tires react and behave. Tire temperatures appear to
> be much more equalized across the face of the tire and the front to
> rear balance is much closer. The tire temperatures also appear to
> be much lower but if you do start getting them hot they go away very
> quickly. The first few laps on a road coarse require you to tip toe
> around until the temperatures get up and also for your braking to be
> completely effective.
>     There appears to be about 2% change in roll-couple from the
> unpatched version. And camber and caster are now critcal in the
> setup.

>     Pete

> >     I raced several tracks with it online last night. With everything
> > turned off in expert mode I found that on the short tracks there
> > wasn't a huge difference with the setups I used. On the longer
> > tracks there is a major difference. For starters you are going to
> > probably have to move weight at least a 100 pounds ahead to the front
> > of the car plus have to play with your camber and caster.
> >     The trickiest part is now on the straights, where the car seems
> > to wallow around if you aren't careful. Without any steering assist
> > you are driving the car all the way around the track and it will
> > require 100% concentration all the time. I'm not sure this is going
> > to be a lot of fun in heavy traffic but perhaps with time to work on
> setups
> > it can be smoothed out.
> >     As usual there was one super fast individual who didn't seem
> > to be affected at all and hadn't appeared to have lost any speed at all.
> > But I know he has had the patch being a beta tester which I'm sure he
has
> > used to advantage.
> >     Quicky tried a couple of the fast setups and I wasn't impressed at
> all.
> > If they are the final deal........

> >     Pete