GPL novice? <g>
Jan.
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Jan.
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Thomas
> >I spend every night with a beautiful young girl (my wife of 6 months) but
> >unfortunately she's always asleep when I crawl in after another night of
> >on-line GPL.
> >I think the first step is admitting I have a problem - last night I
dreamed
> >of Snetterton (:
> Seek therapy NOW...<g>
> Eldred
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Hello Edlred; Per chance are you using "split-axis"...? If I remember
way back when you were not? Did you get a wheel that does? If so
why cant you break&gas at the sametime? Feathering the gas in the
corners while breaking works great for me {imho}...
Cheers Thom_j.
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| >On 22 Jan 2001 15:45:30 GMT, David Buttery
| >>You need to keep some throttle on through the corner
<Eldred states>
| But if you have to slow down for the corner, then you'd have to be off the
| throttle. I'll admit that this is probably what's holding me back. I
can't
| hit the brakes or accel. at the right time. This is pissing me off. All
I'm
| doing is the same things over and over and over.
| I know, I know - do something different. But if I do something different,
I
| crash. Doesn't matter if it's braking points(unless it's earlier), or
line
| through the turns, or whatever. I have a certain speed/line I can run, a
sort
| of comfort zone. If I step OUTSIDE that zone, I crash. How do you get
better
| when you can't get better?
| I really noticed this in the GP race at Kyalami. I couldn't catch Carlo,
and I
| kept trying different things to see if it mad a difference. Most of the
time
| the only difference was an off...<g>
|
| Eldred
I understand you two (struggling to get under 9:00).
But it's even worse!! :-)
I used to work in the same office as this guy. He drives 8:31 on the Ring
with a joystick and using the evil arcade view!! :-)
Frustrating, I tell you.
Alex :-)
LOL ! Last night, before falling asleep, I did a full lap of that
good 'ole Nordschleisse *in my head*...
...and I didn't spin ! :-)
Richard.
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>>That's an *EXTREMELY* important point, often overlooked, IMHO.
>>Through most corners, if you're "off-throttle" you're wasting
>>time trying to "catch" the back instead of preparing your exit.
>But if you have to slow down for the corner, then you'd have to be off the
>throttle. I'll admit that this is probably what's holding me back. I can't
>hit the brakes or accel. at the right time. This is pissing me off. All I'm
>doing is the same things over and over and over.
I don't think I'm *ever* completely off the throttle, even for all out
braking zones like T1 at Kyalami (*especially* for T1 at Kyalami, with
I guess it doesn't really matter during the braking phase, but when you
start turning in, you should be back on the throttle slightly, even if
you're still braking. It's all a matter of "instinctively" balancing the
car on brakes & throttle based on what you feel the car doing through the
steering wheel...
Try this: if you feel you're coming in a turn too fast, resist the
temptation to lift, just keep on modulating the brakes (careful not
to lock the front and understeer off the track) until you've slowed
down enough. But keep your foot on the throttle. Not "pedal to the
metal", mind you, but just enough so you're not "engine-braking" at
the same time. You should find that the back end of the car stays
calmly where it belongs, i.e. behind the front :-)
Oh yeah, I run a 60/60+1 diff just about everywhere. The above technique
might not work as well (or at all) with a lower coast-side ramp angle...
I can't remember one thing: do you have a force-feedback wheel ? I'm not
saying it's some sort of magical solution, but there's no way I could run
the times I do now (and be consistent) if I did not have FF. I tried it
a few weeks ago, and I couldn't tell what the car was doing.
Richard.
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I had a couple of Ring dreams while I was working on it - that's one of the
reasons I don't want to go back!
it.
JB
> Hello Edlred; Per chance are you using "split-axis"...? If I remember
> way back when you were not? Did you get a wheel that does? If so
> why cant you break&gas at the sametime? Feathering the gas in the
> corners while breaking works great for me {imho}...
> Cheers Thom_j.
> <snipped for NG space>
> | >On 22 Jan 2001 15:45:30 GMT, David Buttery
> | >>You need to keep some throttle on through the corner
> <Eldred states>
> | But if you have to slow down for the corner, then you'd have to be off
the
> | throttle. I'll admit that this is probably what's holding me back. I
> can't
> | hit the brakes or accel. at the right time. This is pissing me off.
All
> I'm
> | doing is the same things over and over and over.
> | I know, I know - do something different. But if I do something
different,
> I
> | crash. Doesn't matter if it's braking points(unless it's earlier), or
> line
> | through the turns, or whatever. I have a certain speed/line I can run,
a
> sort
> | of comfort zone. If I step OUTSIDE that zone, I crash. How do you get
> better
> | when you can't get better?
> | I really noticed this in the GP race at Kyalami. I couldn't catch
Carlo,
> and I
> | kept trying different things to see if it mad a difference. Most of the
> time
> | the only difference was an off...<g>
> |
> | Eldred
GPL cars are uncontrollable at anything under a solid 36 fps. No wonder you
find the learning curve a bit steep. Get rid of some graphics that just look
nice but won't help your driving, like arms and wheel, special effects,
beveled tyres etc. or go to a lower resolution if that gets you 36 fps. Then
try again, it will be a different car.
Bye,
Leo
>> I'm using an MS wheel. I get around 30fps, playable..
>GPL cars are uncontrollable at anything under a solid 36 fps. No wonder you
>find the learning curve a bit steep. Get rid of some graphics that just look
>nice but won't help your driving, like arms and wheel, special effects,
>beveled tyres etc. or go to a lower resolution if that gets you 36 fps. Then
>try again, it will be a different car.
>Bye,
>Leo
Marc.
> > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:12:15 -0000, "Neil Raine"
> > >The key to keeping control is the transition from brake to gas and
> > >vice-versa - this has to be smooth. At a basic level, you have to
> be aware
> > >that braking makes you turn more, and accelerating makes you go
> straighter,
> > >but you also have to be aware of quite a lot of other weight
> transfer
> > >effects, which will have to come with experience!
> > >One thing I found very useful at the beginning was the realisation
> that the
> > >steering becomes more unstable when you brake, and you can mitigate
> that by
> > >relaxing the brake slightly, or giving it a stab of throttle, and
> then
> > >getting back on the brake smoothly.
> > In most racing games I play (NFS, Test Drive Lemans) I don't even
> use
> > the brake. I just let go of the gas and shift down. That usually
> > gets me around the corner just fine. In GPL, boy is that a shock.
> I
> > guess I have to brake. But like you said, when I brake the car
> > becomes more unstable and likely to spin out.
> The other bit of bad news is that the brakes don't work too well.
> But the good news is that (unlike modern GP cars) you can let the back
> end kick out quite a long way on bends without spinning.
> The replays included for each track show this quite well - you don't
> have to be 100% neat, and that makes it all the more fun.
> --
> Laurence Wilmer
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I rest my case...
dave henrie
>I don't think I'm *ever* completely off the throttle, even for all out
>braking zones like T1 at Kyalami (*especially* for T1 at Kyalami, with
To use the throttle when you're on the verge of control trying to slow down
seems counter-intuitive... I've accidentally had my foot a little on the gas
in a turn, and understeered right off the track. I can't imagine doing it on
PURPOSE...<g>
No, I don't - never have. I have a TSW2mod. I haven't decided if I'm going to
buy a FF wheel yet.
Eldred
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GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73
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with experience...
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Of course you're still braking too, lots of footwork going on.
I've only managed to do this well a couple of times, but one time it
resulted in a 1:28.57 when I got it just right in Parabolica :)
Andre