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by **Tim Leighto** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 04:43:20

6 months is very young i must say. Are you in Mississippi or Arkansas by any
chance? :)
Yours, remembering Jerry Lee Lewis
Tim L

> I spend every night with a beautiful young girl (my wife of 6 months) but
> unfortunately she's always asleep when I crawl in after another night of
> on-line GPL.

> I think the first step is admitting I have a problem - last night I
dreamed
> of Snetterton (:

> > Hmmm... Since starting GPL a few weeks ago, I had forgotten what it is
> > like to be with a beautiful young girl all night long... I guess maybe
> > I'll take a night off from GPL tonight. Well, ok... I'll just limit my
> > GPLing to 1-2 hours tonight... ok... 3-4 hour tops!

> > -Patrick (who should have listened to everyone who said GPL would take
> > over my life)

> > > GPL is like dancing with a beatifull young girl, you gotta hold her
> > tight
> > > and take it easy and smooth so you can continue all night long :)

> > > -- Sjon

> > Sent via Deja.com
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Eldre** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:21:16

>I spend every night with a beautiful young girl (my wife of 6 months) but
>unfortunately she's always asleep when I crawl in after another night of
>on-line GPL.

>I think the first step is admitting I have a problem - last night I dreamed
>of Snetterton (:

Seek therapy NOW...<g>

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:21:17

writes:

I'm not even sure it's WORTH comparing your laps to the AI. They seem to be
able to corner at speeds that are WAY out of line with what I can do...

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:21:15

>Recently when trying to reduce my woefully bad GPLRank (still somewhere
>in the 70s) I was convinced I must be able to go faster at Rouen but
>couldn't see where. I ran replay analyzer vs the GPL replay lap and to
>my suprise saw a ~3 second loss in time at the first 2 corners plus
>looking at the speed chart saw that I was braking late and thus losing
>time as I was not going through the corners smoothly (n.b. *important
>point* that I always forget - braking late can slow you doen even though
>your mind thinks that you must be going faster!)

Using ReplayAnalyzer to compare my laps to others, I already brake earlier than
everyone. If I brake any earlier, all I get is slower... :)

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:21:18

writes:

I have to use the sound of the engine revs and gear to judge my speed. I can't
do it simply by watching the scenery. That's why I have problems going into a
hairpin(once the revs get so low) or if I'm late on a downshift(my shift
buttons are flaky). I don't know how to fix that, though... The sense of
speed just isn't there. :(

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:21:16

>Definitely. I don't race online much, but I had a race like that a few months
>ago. Mexico City, one fellow driving a Lotus doing laps around 1:48 or so, me
>in
>my Ferrari doing slow, but consistent 1:51s, he has a huge lead, but guess
>who
>wins the race? He just couldn't keep the thing on the race track and he was
>speed-shifting too so his engine wound up blowing twice, the second time on
>the
>last lap at the last corner with him in the lead. I just roll right on by and
>take the win. Smooth and steady always prevails. ;)

Not always, and you really do have to be within a couple of seconds in lap
times. When I'm 5+ seconds per lap off the pace, the leader could spin, find
the kitty litter, and get back to the track without me even filling his
mirrors. I've had that happen before - see someone spine, and think, "I got
him!". Then watch sadly as he motors away...

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:21:17

>On 22 Jan 2001 15:45:30 GMT, David Buttery

>>You need to keep some throttle on through the corner

>That's an *EXTREMELY* important point, often overlooked, IMHO.
>Through most corners, if you're "off-throttle" you're wasting
>time trying to "catch" the back instead of preparing your exit.

But if you have to slow down for the corner, then you'd have to be off the
throttle. I'll admit that this is probably what's holding me back. I can't
hit the brakes or accel. at the right time. This is pissing me off. All I'm
doing is the same things over and over and over.
I know, I know - do something different. But if I do something different, I
crash. Doesn't matter if it's braking points(unless it's earlier), or line
through the turns, or whatever. I have a certain speed/line I can run, a sort
of comfort zone. If I step OUTSIDE that zone, I crash. How do you get better
when you can't get better?
I really noticed this in the GP race at Kyalami. I couldn't catch Carlo, and I
kept trying different things to see if it mad a difference. Most of the time
the only difference was an off...<g>

Eldred
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by **Rob Adam** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:17:47

LOL!

Just goes to show that even the most innocuous of statement can be
misinterpreted by dirty minds...

> 6 months is very young i must say. Are you in Mississippi or Arkansas by
any
> chance? :)
> Yours, remembering Jerry Lee Lewis
> Tim L

> > I spend every night with a beautiful young girl (my wife of 6 months)
but
> > unfortunately she's always asleep when I crawl in after another night of
> > on-line GPL.

by **Laurence Wilme** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:29:28

<snip>

Yes, I definitely have that problem with the Ferrari - I think I'm
going much faster than I am, due to the impressive engine sound.
Just tried the Ring with it, thinking I'll tootle around without
crashing and perhaps improve, and time was 11+ even though I thought I
was going quite fast. Must have been crawling along.

Any suggestions here?? I've tried the trainer, but decided the real
problem is I don't know what to look for - on a normal track I learn
the braking point and correct gear for each bend and straight, but
here that's impossible for me here (too old). Only thing I can
remember is a few points where I always crash ie where to slow down,
but can't get into my head just where it is safe to speed up!!
Duh!

--
Laurence Wilmer

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by **Dave S** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:31:59

Actually on Odana Road...I live in Wisconsin :)
But they said it was $4.88 at all stores.

> Which OD did you go to? On Broadway or near Brentwood?

> >I purchased GPL a couple of weeks ago at office depot for $5.00, but
> >haven;'t installed it yet. I was reading all the messages and comments of
> >the steep learning curve for this game, but the sites and techniques here
> >will sure help...thanks
> >GPL gets loaded tonight

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:40:19

. Was rather
I know Eldred....I feel the saaaaaame way.
dave henrie

by **Ale** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:29:59

>>On 22 Jan 2001 15:45:30 GMT, David Buttery

>>>You need to keep some throttle on through the corner

>>That's an *EXTREMELY* important point, often overlooked, IMHO.
>>Through most corners, if you're "off-throttle" you're wasting
>>time trying to "catch" the back instead of preparing your exit.

>But if you have to slow down for the corner, then you'd have to be off
>the throttle. I'll admit that this is probably what's holding me back.
>I can't hit the brakes or accel. at the right time. This is pissing me

I often have the same problem; the best "default" solution I've found
is to keep a bit of throttle on, then if I feel that the car understeers
at the entry of the corner I brake harder (still keeping a throttle
-- this way car seems to be easier to control), if it understeers
in mid-corner I quickly add some throttle and let off back, this
makes the back of the car slide a bit, helping to set it up for
the exit. This allows me to make corner at more or less acceptable
pace, and what's more important I learn how the car feels in the
corner, so I can improve my technique.

I find it useful to compare my laps to replays of people
who are just a bit faster than me (1-1.5 sec on most tracks).
Anyway I have no hope to repeat Huttu's laps.

Then I am trying to make corners the way they do. I usually crash
every second lap in the corners I am working on for the first 10-20
laps. But when I do it right I memorize what I did and after several
successful attempts I start to feel what should I do in the corner.
Only then I start to work on consistency. After making this corners
right becomes rather rule than exception, I switch to another track,
but something learned remains and can be used at other tracks as well.

I prefer to experiment in training mode:>

Alex
(alexti)

by **kay..** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:35:43

They had it listed at my OD for $27.99CAD. What a rip off. But the
game is definitely worth that and more of course once I learn how to
drive.

>Actually on Odana Road...I live in Wisconsin :)
>But they said it was $4.88 at all stores.

>> Which OD did you go to? On Broadway or near Brentwood?

>> >I purchased GPL a couple of weeks ago at office depot for $5.00, but
>> >haven;'t installed it yet. I was reading all the messages and comments of
>> >the steep learning curve for this game, but the sites and techniques here
>> >will sure help...thanks
>> >GPL gets loaded tonight

by **kay..** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:38:26

How do you see your mph when you are in "in car" mode? I only see my
speed when I'm in chase view.

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:25:02

You don't ! Furthermore...you should NEVER use the chase mode...EVER!
It's not natural. You'll go blind. Or some catastrophe will happen to
those close to you. Stay in the***pit as God and Mr Chapman intended.
Drivers back then, and MOST today even, don't use a speedometer. You'll
learn the speed you need by practicing. It's tough, but it won't take long
to figure each track out. Good luck
dave henrie

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