rec.autos.simulators

by **Ed Solhei** » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I got this weird problem with my Thriller 3D 8mb AGP card which has been
bugging me for some time now.
It seems to me like the card isn't fond of IE 5.0 at all... infact the
Thriller card hates IE 5.0 so much that after a veryshort time of browsing
the net, the computer will lock completely. No warnings or error
messages.... it just hangs... the cursor and mouse will freeze and the
keyboard wont work.

This is a problem I've had for a long time and it's really bugging the hell
out of me... I've managed to narrrow it down to the Thriller card and IE5,
cause a:) the problem goes away if I use IE4 or swap to another vidoe-card
(which I had to do at work 'cause I was so fed-up about it all...)

Nw, some days ago... I decided to start from scratch again, just to see it
there was a possible conflict that had occur after installing certain
software or something like that... so I re-formatted the hard disk and
installed Win98 SE.

Unfortunatly... the problem still occurs.. :(((

Does anyone know if there's a solution to this or something?

I'm currently using what i beilive is the latest drivers for the card:
v.0.85.3596
File version: 4.10.01.3596.

I *currently* do not have any network-card (other than the ISDN-card)
installed on the computer, nor do (afaik) use and "user-profiles" in
windows.

Please help asap..

Thanks.
--
All the best,
Ed Solheim
The Paddock - a legendary site....
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by **Bria** » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hi Ed,
I had exactly the same problem with my Thriller 3D 4mb PCI. After trying
many versions of Hercules and Rendition drivers, I read somewhere that it's
caused by the mouse pointer. Go to you Control Panel->Mouse properties and
under the Pointer tab, set the Scheme to "Windows Standard". That did it
for me. Previously, with the Scheme set to "none", my PC would lock up when
scrolling in IE 5.

Good Luck,
Brian

by **Kenny L** » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

the Thriller drivers also hate anything other than 16 bit color. Try
setting your desktop to 16 bit colors, and shut off anything that animates.

--
Kenny L.
#14 Generic Chevy
PRC Member
Wall Scrapers Racing Team

> Hi Ed,
> I had exactly the same problem with my Thriller 3D 4mb PCI. After trying
> many versions of Hercules and Rendition drivers, I read somewhere that
it's
> caused by the mouse pointer. Go to you Control Panel->Mouse properties
and
> under the Pointer tab, set the Scheme to "Windows Standard". That did it
> for me. Previously, with the Scheme set to "none", my PC would lock up
when
> scrolling in IE 5.

> Good Luck,
> Brian

> > I got this weird problem with my Thriller 3D 8mb AGP card which has been
> > bugging me for some time now.
> > It seems to me like the card isn't fond of IE 5.0 at all... infact the
> > Thriller card hates IE 5.0 so much that after a veryshort time of
browsing
> > the net, the computer will lock completely. No warnings or error
> > messages.... it just hangs... the cursor and mouse will freeze and the
> > keyboard wont work.

> > This is a problem I've had for a long time and it's really bugging the
> hell
> > out of me... I've managed to narrrow it down to the Thriller card and
> IE5,
> > cause a:) the problem goes away if I use IE4 or swap to another
vidoe-card
> > (which I had to do at work 'cause I was so fed-up about it all...)

> > Nw, some days ago... I decided to start from scratch again, just to see
it
> > there was a possible conflict that had occur after installing certain
> > software or something like that... so I re-formatted the hard disk and
> > installed Win98 SE.

> > Unfortunatly... the problem still occurs.. :(((

> > Does anyone know if there's a solution to this or something?

> > I'm currently using what i beilive is the latest drivers for the card:
> > v.0.85.3596
> > File version: 4.10.01.3596.

> > I *currently* do not have any network-card (other than the ISDN-card)
> > installed on the computer, nor do (afaik) use and "user-profiles" in
> > windows.

> > Please help asap..

> > Thanks.
> > --
> > All the best,
> > Ed Solheim
> > The Paddock - a legendary site....
> > (Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

by **Thom j** » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I have been having the same exact problem and I thought it
started when I installed my new cable modem & their IE5.
I am going to try everything below & hope it works!!
Thanx for the info all!! Cheers Thom_j.
P.S. I am glad you posted this here too! See OT do help
at times!! Thanx again!!

> the Thriller drivers also hate anything other than 16 bit color. Try
> setting your desktop to 16 bit colors, and shut off anything that
animates.

> --
> Kenny L.
> #14 Generic Chevy
> PRC Member
> Wall Scrapers Racing Team

> > Hi Ed,
> > I had exactly the same problem with my Thriller 3D 4mb PCI. After
trying
> > many versions of Hercules and Rendition drivers, I read somewhere that
> it's
> > caused by the mouse pointer. Go to you Control Panel->Mouse properties
> and
> > under the Pointer tab, set the Scheme to "Windows Standard". That did
it
> > for me. Previously, with the Scheme set to "none", my PC would lock up
> when
> > scrolling in IE 5.

> > Good Luck,
> > Brian

> > > I got this weird problem with my Thriller 3D 8mb AGP card which has
been
> > > bugging me for some time now.
> > > It seems to me like the card isn't fond of IE 5.0 at all... infact
the
> > > Thriller card hates IE 5.0 so much that after a veryshort time of
> browsing
> > > the net, the computer will lock completely. No warnings or error
> > > messages.... it just hangs... the cursor and mouse will freeze and the
> > > keyboard wont work.

> > > This is a problem I've had for a long time and it's really bugging the
> > hell
> > > out of me... I've managed to narrrow it down to the Thriller card
and
> > IE5,
> > > cause a:) the problem goes away if I use IE4 or swap to another
> vidoe-card
> > > (which I had to do at work 'cause I was so fed-up about it all...)

> > > Nw, some days ago... I decided to start from scratch again, just to
see
> it
> > > there was a possible conflict that had occur after installing certain
> > > software or something like that... so I re-formatted the hard disk and
> > > installed Win98 SE.

> > > Unfortunatly... the problem still occurs.. :(((

> > > Does anyone know if there's a solution to this or something?

> > > I'm currently using what i beilive is the latest drivers for the card:
> > > v.0.85.3596
> > > File version: 4.10.01.3596.

> > > I *currently* do not have any network-card (other than the ISDN-card)
> > > installed on the computer, nor do (afaik) use and "user-profiles" in
> > > windows.

> > > Please help asap..

> > > Thanks.
> > > --
> > > All the best,
> > > Ed Solheim
> > > The Paddock - a legendary site....
> > > (Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

by **Thom j** » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hello Ed;
Read your post & the other re:s. I downloaded the newer version
of drivers but I'm reluctant to use them because all is well in every
program I run except IE5 & OE with my AGP 8mg Herc Thriller.
I did change my mouse setting to Windows Standard though!!
I have "v.0.85.3596" but can't seem to find the file vesrion name
"File version: 4.10.01.3596" Where do I find' this? Also please
tell me if you did update your drivers & what happened!! Tia

P.S. I tried to send this directly with [S P A M G U A R D]
removed but it was returned as undeliverable so I'm posting!

----- Original Message -----

Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 9:09 AM
Subject: OT: 8mb Thriller 3D AGP problems... please help!!!

> I got this weird problem with my Thriller 3D 8mb AGP card which has been
> bugging me for some time now.
> It seems to me like the card isn't fond of IE 5.0 at all... infact the
> Thriller card hates IE 5.0 so much that after a veryshort time of browsing
> the net, the computer will lock completely. No warnings or error
> messages.... it just hangs... the cursor and mouse will freeze and the
> keyboard wont work.

> This is a problem I've had for a long time and it's really bugging the
hell
> out of me... I've managed to narrrow it down to the Thriller card and
IE5,
> cause a:) the problem goes away if I use IE4 or swap to another vidoe-card
> (which I had to do at work 'cause I was so fed-up about it all...)

> Nw, some days ago... I decided to start from scratch again, just to see it
> there was a possible conflict that had occur after installing certain
> software or something like that... so I re-formatted the hard disk and
> installed Win98 SE.

> Unfortunatly... the problem still occurs.. :(((

> Does anyone know if there's a solution to this or something?

> I'm currently using what i beilive is the latest drivers for the card:
> v.0.85.3596
> File version: 4.10.01.3596.

> I *currently* do not have any network-card (other than the ISDN-card)
> installed on the computer, nor do (afaik) use and "user-profiles" in
> windows.

> Please help asap..

> Thanks.
> --
> All the best,
> Ed Solheim
> The Paddock - a legendary site....
> (Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

by **John Montes Jr** » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Brian is exactly right Ed. I had the same problem also. If you're using
any of the "Pluspack" mouse cursors, you'll get lockups. I was using
pluspack, but I just changed the mouse cursors to standard plain ones and
never had the problem again. It was actually in the readme with the lastest
drivers, but it was VERY hard to find. I fought that problem for days until
I found the solution.

--
John Montes Jr.
Proud Member of Precision Racing Team

by **Ed Solhei** » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Thanks.. that seemed to have taken care of the IE problem....
BUT... a much bigger problem has occurd...

GPL wont work at all..!!!!!
Sure... GPL load fine and everything... but when i try to click on the green
flag to goto the race setup menu or watch a replay or something like that...
nothing happends :((

Been trying with all 3 drivers in GPL aswell (SW, OpenGL and Rend.dll)

Does GPL work on your computer ??

I can live without IE and browsing the net... but to live without GPL - NO
WAY!!

Please help ASAP!!
--
All the best,
Ed Solheim
The Paddock - a legendary site....
(Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

> Latest edition of Thriller drivers are dated June 2 19999
> and are Version: 3.0 beta5, build 5176 - June 2, 1999

> Download from http://www.rendition.com/usersupport.html

> After update your driver file details should read version 4.11.01.5176

> I have had similar problem to yours and found that this update all but
> eliminated the freezing problem.

> Also download the latest Internet Explorer 5.01 which I found
> more stable and agreeable with the Thriller.

> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

> Cheers,
> Chatham

> > I got this weird problem with my Thriller 3D 8mb AGP card which has been
> > bugging me for some time now.
> > It seems to me like the card isn't fond of IE 5.0 at all... infact the
> > Thriller card hates IE 5.0 so much that after a veryshort time of
browsing
> > the net, the computer will lock completely. No warnings or error
> > messages.... it just hangs... the cursor and mouse will freeze and the
> > keyboard wont work.

> > This is a problem I've had for a long time and it's really bugging the
hell
> > out of me... I've managed to narrrow it down to the Thriller card and
IE5,
> > cause a:) the problem goes away if I use IE4 or swap to another
vidoe-card
> > (which I had to do at work 'cause I was so fed-up about it all...)

> > Nw, some days ago... I decided to start from scratch again, just to see
it
> > there was a possible conflict that had occur after installing certain
> > software or something like that... so I re-formatted the hard disk and
> > installed Win98 SE.

> > Unfortunatly... the problem still occurs.. :(((

> > Does anyone know if there's a solution to this or something?

> > I'm currently using what i beilive is the latest drivers for the card:
> > v.0.85.3596
> > File version: 4.10.01.3596.

> > I *currently* do not have any network-card (other than the ISDN-card)
> > installed on the computer, nor do (afaik) use and "user-profiles" in
> > windows.

> > Please help asap..

> > Thanks.
> > --
> > All the best,
> > Ed Solheim
> > The Paddock - a legendary site....
> > (Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

by **Kevi** » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Ed,

I had a problem with GPL and my Thriller card once, when I changed to W98.
You cannot use multiple users in W98, or it screws up GPL by stopping the
window re-sizing. Not sure if this has anything to do with your problem.
Mine was fine once I got rid of the multiple users.

Kevin Caldwell
Calgary, Canada

by **Tracey A Mille** » Sun, 28 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Kind of off topic, but can you run NASCAR 99? Somewhere between
getting rid of my Thriller, upgrading to a V3-3000, DirectX 7, and
upgrading from 98 to SE I lost the ability to run NR99. It runs in
software mode so I know it's a video card (latest drivers) issue.

"Marc Collins" wrote

by **Chath** » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Latest edition of Thriller drivers are dated June 2 19999
and are Version: 3.0 beta5, build 5176 - June 2, 1999

Download from http://www.rendition.com/usersupport.html

After update your driver file details should read version 4.11.01.5176

I have had similar problem to yours and found that this update all but
eliminated the freezing problem.

Also download the latest Internet Explorer 5.01 which I found
more stable and agreeable with the Thriller.

http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

Cheers,
Chatham

by **Ed Solhei** » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

FALSE ALARM Gents!!

Sorry... the whole thing was my own fault... I forgot to rename a soundfile
in GPL after editing it earlier today..

BOTH GPL and IE5 work great with these new drivers...

Thanks alot for the help!!

--
All the best,
Ed Solheim
The Paddock - a legendary site....
(Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

> Thanks.. that seemed to have taken care of the IE problem....
> BUT... a much bigger problem has occurd...

> GPL wont work at all..!!!!!
> Sure... GPL load fine and everything... but when i try to click on the
green
> flag to goto the race setup menu or watch a replay or something like
that...
> nothing happends :((

> Been trying with all 3 drivers in GPL aswell (SW, OpenGL and Rend.dll)

> Does GPL work on your computer ??

> I can live without IE and browsing the net... but to live without GPL -
NO
> WAY!!

> Please help ASAP!!
> --
> All the best,
> Ed Solheim
> The Paddock - a legendary site....
> (Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

> > Latest edition of Thriller drivers are dated June 2 19999
> > and are Version: 3.0 beta5, build 5176 - June 2, 1999

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Bottom line: the Thriller drivers suck. Always have and likely always will.
I had amazing problems in a whole variety of programs as soon as I installed
my 8MB Thriller AGP (replacing a Matrox AGP card). The monitor shut-off
(power saving) wouldn't even work!!!!

Dumped it for a V3-3000...now I have better graphics, better framerate in
everything except GPL where the rate is probably equal to the Thriller, got
rid of my V2 (heat source) and have absolutely no problems with any game or
app. or Windows 98SE itself.

Marc.

by **Doug Bishop Jackson Mi** » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: OT: 8mb Thriller 3D AGP problems... please help!!!

>Date: Sat, 27 November 1999 06:53 PM EST

>Ed,

>I had a problem with GPL and my Thriller card once, when I changed to W98.
>You cannot use multiple users in W98, or it screws up GPL by stopping the
>window re-sizing. Not sure if this has anything to do with your problem.
>Mine was fine once I got rid of the multiple users.

>Kevin Caldwell
>Calgary, Canada

Uh.....scuse my ignorance...... maybe you could tell ME how to get rid of
"Multiple users" in W98???

Like an idiot I set up a user and now I cant seem to get it undone. Every time
I boot up it shows the last user id and asks for a password. I didn't set a
password so that's no big deal but I would sure like to deactivate this
function.

Little help for a Homer Simpson?? Please???

(Don't use NO***in E-mail)

You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee,
Vigilantes Of Love

by **Ian Hil** » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Select "Log off [username]..." from the Start Menu.

HTH
Ian

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I took it off my system when I got N3, so sorry, I am not sure. But I never
had any graphics problems with it and Voodoo cards.

Marc.