rec.autos.simulators

by **Joao Gonzale** » Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:16:05

Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my
faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers (9800Pro),
the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same settings as my
old Win98SE installation.

I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept my old
Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive to boot from
so I am able to compare them easily.

I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3D settings
for both.

Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the same
triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP
isntallation looks like a slide show.
Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP.

Joao Gonzalez

by **Dino** » Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:26:11

Try this http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

DN

by **Uwe Schürkam** » Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:15:51

> Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my

There also is a Linux version in the works (id has a good track record
of porting their stuff to Linux). It will be a couple of weeks before
it's stable according to linuxgames.com, so you can spend that time
well on getting familiar with the Linux desktop ;-)

So if you only need XP for a single game, give Linux a try on that XP
partition and keep the rest of your *** on 98SE.

Cheers,

uwe

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by **Andrew MacPhers** » Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:29:00

> Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..)

http://***.vulpinetech.com/

I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a
solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable than
Win98.

Andrew McP

by **Joao Gonzale** » Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:07:52

> > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..)

> http://***.vulpinetech.com/

> I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a
> solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable than
> Win98.

> Andrew McP

Thanks for the tips guys. I had a friend in my house today and he suggested
I increase the refresh rate to 85Hz (was using 75Hz). Oddly enough, the
N2003 Frame Rate increases drastically, its now at only about 10% less than
in Win 98SE. Doing the same in Win 98SE does not increase FR (actually it
lowers about 10%).

Now I am baffled, surely an ATI Driver problem/bug?

Regs.

by **Stev** » Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:38:12

Dig around in the ATI control panel and turn off v-synch.

Steve

>> > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..)

>> http://***.vulpinetech.com/

>> I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a
>> solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable
>> than
>> Win98.

>> Andrew McP

> Thanks for the tips guys. I had a friend in my house today and he
> suggested
> I increase the refresh rate to 85Hz (was using 75Hz). Oddly enough, the
> N2003 Frame Rate increases drastically, its now at only about 10% less
> than
> in Win 98SE. Doing the same in Win 98SE does not increase FR (actually it
> lowers about 10%).

> Now I am baffled, surely an ATI Driver problem/bug?

> Regs.

by **Steve Smit** » Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:21:09

It sounds like an ATI prob.

Try:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

(a Doom 3 tweak guide, but hey, ya never know)

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

(ditto)

http://www.***groove.com/article.php?id=4

or d/l this ATI tool, here:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

or maybe it's an XP prob:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are on the "uh-oh" list.

--Steve Smith

by **Steve Smit** » Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:15:09

I dunno. A 9800 Pro ought to be capable of running a 2-yr-old pgm like
N2003 w. vsynch on (assuming the CPU is something comparable; an Athlon XP
3000+, say).

> Dig around in the ATI control panel and turn off v-synch.

> Steve

message

> >> > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..)

> >> http://***.vulpinetech.com/

> >> I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a
> >> solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable
> >> than
> >> Win98.

> >> Andrew McP

> > Thanks for the tips guys. I had a friend in my house today and he
> > suggested
> > I increase the refresh rate to 85Hz (was using 75Hz). Oddly enough, the
> > N2003 Frame Rate increases drastically, its now at only about 10% less
> > than
> > in Win 98SE. Doing the same in Win 98SE does not increase FR (actually
it
> > lowers about 10%).

> > Now I am baffled, surely an ATI Driver problem/bug?

> > Regs.

by **Steve Smit** » Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:16:22

Yer not running an LCD panel, are you? (If so, try 60 Hz.)

> > > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..)

> > http://***.vulpinetech.com/

> > I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a
> > solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable
than
> > Win98.

> > Andrew McP

> Thanks for the tips guys. I had a friend in my house today and he
suggested
> I increase the refresh rate to 85Hz (was using 75Hz). Oddly enough, the
> N2003 Frame Rate increases drastically, its now at only about 10% less
than
> in Win 98SE. Doing the same in Win 98SE does not increase FR (actually it
> lowers about 10%).

> Now I am baffled, surely an ATI Driver problem/bug?

> Regs.

by **David Ciemn** » Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:24:02

> It sounds like an ATI prob.

> Try:

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> (a Doom 3 tweak guide, but hey, ya never know)

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> (ditto)

> http://www.***groove.com/article.php?id=4

> or d/l this ATI tool, here:

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> or maybe it's an XP prob:

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are on the "uh-oh"
list.

> --Steve Smith

> > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my
> > faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers
> (9800Pro),
> > the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same settings as
my
> > old Win98SE installation.

> > I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept my
> old
> > Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive to boot
> from
> > so I am able to compare them easily.

> > I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3D
> settings
> > for both.

> > Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the same
> > triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP
> > isntallation looks like a slide show.
> > Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP.

> > Joao Gonzalez

your all over this issue Steve..thanks for the links

by **Joao Gonzal** » Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:17:23

> > It sounds like an ATI prob.

> > Try:

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > (a Doom 3 tweak guide, but hey, ya never know)

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > (ditto)

> > http://www.***groove.com/article.php?id=4

> > or d/l this ATI tool, here:

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > or maybe it's an XP prob:

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are on the "uh-oh"
> list.

> > --Steve Smith

> > > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my
> > > faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers
> (9800Pro),
> > > the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same settings as
> my
> > > old Win98SE installation.

> > > I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept my
> old
> > > Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive to boot
> from
> > > so I am able to compare them easily.

> > > I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3D
> settings
> > > for both.

> > > Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the same
> > > triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP
> > > isntallation looks like a slide show.
> > > Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP.

> > > Joao Gonzalez

> your all over this issue Steve..thanks for the links

Hi again. Tried all the advice here (thanks everybody) but I'm sort of
back where I started. Here's a summary:

Hardware: PIV 3GHz, ASUS i850 M/B, 512Mb RIMM, ATI9800Pro, Audigy, 19"
Panasonic Monitor (CRT, not TFT)

Software: WinXP, SP1+All Updates (No SP2 yet), ATI 4.8 Drivers (tried
the last 4), Win XP configured with all the tweaks in Black Viper's
page.

Software Alternative Boot: Win98SE, ATI 4.3 Drivers

Using the same graphics settings: 1280x1024x32, Refresh Rate 75Hz, AA
2x, AF 2x, V-Sync Off, N2003 configuredwith the exact same settings,
the frame rate in N2003 is at least 10% less plus the game seems to
freeze for a few miliseconds on track. In F1 Challenge the same %
reduction but no freezing problems (Win98 compatibility mode for F1C).

Also tried it online yesterday: for the same server the WinXP
connection has some spikes in Latency and Quality, those do not appear
in Win98SE.

Stuff that I already tried with no success: Win98 compat mode for
N2003, turning off LAN while racing off-line, several ATI Drivers, a
spare ATI9600Pro, different refresh rates, etc., etc.

Doom 3 can wait! I play N2003 90% of the time, going back to Win98!!!

by **Larr** » Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:47:54

It's NOT XP.

What really helps with something like this is some sort of system
configuration log, and a dump from HiJack This doesn't hurt either.

-Larry

by **George Ada** » Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:00:51

>It's NOT XP.

I agree. I run NR2003 on a 2.4 P4b on an Asus P4PE motherboard with 512 ram and
an Abit Siluro T1 4200. Both the processor and the vid card are slightly
overclocked.

I have a dual boot system with Win 98 and XP sp1,with no tweaks, and find
openGL running on XP to be the fastest and smoothest combination. I really have
no idea what the problem is with your system, but it isn't XP.

George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

by **Joao Gonzale** » Sat, 21 Aug 2004 05:27:12

> >It's NOT XP.

> I agree. I run NR2003 on a 2.4 P4b on an Asus P4PE motherboard with 512
ram and
> an Abit Siluro T1 4200. Both the processor and the vid card are slightly
> overclocked.

> I have a dual boot system with Win 98 and XP sp1,with no tweaks, and find
> openGL running on XP to be the fastest and smoothest combination. I really
have
> no idea what the problem is with your system, but it isn't XP.

> George Adams

> "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only
dream of
> youth that doth not grow stale with age."
> ---- J.W Muller

Flashed the BIOS. Seems to have solved the problem!

Thanks for all that helped.

by **Uwe Schürkam** » Sat, 21 Aug 2004 05:42:40

Good to hear, you can be first in line for the Doom3 Linux version
then ;-) I'm not sure if I'm going to buy Doom3, as I already was
scared shitless after playing 20mins of Half Life. 8-P

Sorry your troubles could not be resolved by the advice given here,
Joao.

Meanwhile, may I recommend Mandrake, Suse and Redhat as excellent
all-purpose Linux distributions?

Cheers,

uwe

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