rec.autos.simulators

by m » Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Having become frustrated with very short, graphic "hiccups" in GPL, I decided
to re-install Win98 from scratch. Here's my questions:

Win98 starts out with Direct X 5 installed. My Diamond VooDoo II's always ask
for Direct X 5 drivers. Shoud I install the Direct X 5 drivers first & then
upgrade to Direct X 6 drivers?

Also, Diamond's read.me states that one should install Direct X 6 itself AFTER
installing the Diamond drivers. Is this considered to be the proper sequence?

I haven't TOUCHED Win98 & won't until I get a consesus from r.a.s...:-)

FWIW...

PII 450 128 MB RAM
SB Live ( Liveware 1.0 )
Win98 ( ugh )

TIA

by Ro » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

What is ur problem exactly?

Have u put the glide2x.dll (ver 2.53) in the gpl root dir?

>Having become frustrated with very short, graphic "hiccups" in GPL, I decided
>to re-install Win98 from scratch. Here's my questions:

>Win98 starts out with Direct X 5 installed. My Diamond VooDoo II's always ask
>for Direct X 5 drivers. Shoud I install the Direct X 5 drivers first & then
>upgrade to Direct X 6 drivers?

>Also, Diamond's read.me states that one should install Direct X 6 itself AFTER
>installing the Diamond drivers. Is this considered to be the proper sequence?

>I haven't TOUCHED Win98 & won't until I get a consesus from r.a.s...:-)

>FWIW...

>PII 450 128 MB RAM
>SB Live ( Liveware 1.0 )
>Win98 ( ugh )

>TIA

by m » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>>Having become frustrated with very short, graphic "hiccups" in GPL, I decided
>>to re-install Win98 from scratch. Here's my questions:
>>Win98 starts out with Direct X 5 installed. My Diamond VooDoo II's always ask
>>for Direct X 5 drivers. Shoud I install the Direct X 5 drivers first & then
>>upgrade to Direct X 6 drivers?
>>Also, Diamond's read.me states that one should install Direct X 6 itself AFTER
>>installing the Diamond drivers. Is this considered to be the proper sequence?
>>PII 450 128 MB RAM
>>SB Live ( Liveware 1.0 )
>>Win98 ( ugh )
>What is ur problem exactly?

With the above setup & VooDoo II's in SLI, running at 800 X 600, I get
very nice graphics. About 20 fps on the grid at Monza. As soon as I
hit Curva Grande, I get 36 fps which continue throughout a race.

However...

At random times, I experience what I can best describe as a "hiccup".
This glitch lasts less than a second but is *very* distracting. It's a
though the CPU is being interrupted. It happens in all tracks as soon
as I race with 17 - 19 AI. I have yet to experience it turning hot
laps.

I've just re-formatted my drive & re-installed Win98. I was just
wondering if the sequence of installing VooDoo drivers & Direct X
might make a difference.

Yes. I also tried 3dfx reference drivers. Same deal. Swapped
VooDoo II's with a friend who has V2 1000's ( old STB's ). Same
deal. If I can't get this fixed, might drop back to Win95.

Yikes.

--
" Why bother..." - R. Crumb -

by **Mark Seer** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Might it be disk activity?
Do you have fast find installed? If so get rid of it from your startup
folder.
Maybe you could try setting up a permanent swap file of 4-500 Mb. This
should solve any disk related problems.

Mark

> >>Having become frustrated with very short, graphic "hiccups" in GPL, I
decided
> >>to re-install Win98 from scratch. Here's my questions:

> >>Win98 starts out with Direct X 5 installed. My Diamond VooDoo II's
always ask
> >>for Direct X 5 drivers. Shoud I install the Direct X 5 drivers first &
then
> >>upgrade to Direct X 6 drivers?

> >>Also, Diamond's read.me states that one should install Direct X 6 itself
AFTER
> >>installing the Diamond drivers. Is this considered to be the proper
sequence?

> >>PII 450 128 MB RAM
> >>SB Live ( Liveware 1.0 )
> >>Win98 ( ugh )

> >What is ur problem exactly?

> With the above setup & VooDoo II's in SLI, running at 800 X 600, I get
> very nice graphics. About 20 fps on the grid at Monza. As soon as I
> hit Curva Grande, I get 36 fps which continue throughout a race.

> However...

> At random times, I experience what I can best describe as a "hiccup".
> This glitch lasts less than a second but is *very* distracting. It's a
> though the CPU is being interrupted. It happens in all tracks as soon
> as I race with 17 - 19 AI. I have yet to experience it turning hot
> laps.

> I've just re-formatted my drive & re-installed Win98. I was just
> wondering if the sequence of installing VooDoo drivers & Direct X
> might make a difference.

> >Have u put the glide2x.dll (ver 2.53) in the gpl root dir?

> Yes. I also tried 3dfx reference drivers. Same deal. Swapped
> VooDoo II's with a friend who has V2 1000's ( old STB's ). Same
> deal. If I can't get this fixed, might drop back to Win95.

> Yikes.

> --
> " Why bother..." - R. Crumb -

by **Rick Mille** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

To actually answer your original question. I usually put all the drivers in
before Dx 6.1. If you don't all you have to do is install Dx 6.1 again
after you install the latest driver. Also if you run the beta reference
drivers (3dfx says they are for Quake III) it will fix the 2.53 or 2.54
problem.

Hope this helped,
Rick Miller (Arrowhead)

> Might it be disk activity?
> Do you have fast find installed? If so get rid of it from your startup
> folder.
> Maybe you could try setting up a permanent swap file of 4-500 Mb. This
> should solve any disk related problems.

> Mark

> > >>Having become frustrated with very short, graphic "hiccups" in GPL, I
> decided
> > >>to re-install Win98 from scratch. Here's my questions:

> > >>Win98 starts out with Direct X 5 installed. My Diamond VooDoo II's
> always ask
> > >>for Direct X 5 drivers. Shoud I install the Direct X 5 drivers first
&
> then
> > >>upgrade to Direct X 6 drivers?

> > >>Also, Diamond's read.me states that one should install Direct X 6
itself
> AFTER
> > >>installing the Diamond drivers. Is this considered to be the proper
> sequence?

> > >>PII 450 128 MB RAM
> > >>SB Live ( Liveware 1.0 )
> > >>Win98 ( ugh )

> > >What is ur problem exactly?

> > With the above setup & VooDoo II's in SLI, running at 800 X 600, I get
> > very nice graphics. About 20 fps on the grid at Monza. As soon as I
> > hit Curva Grande, I get 36 fps which continue throughout a race.

> > However...

> > At random times, I experience what I can best describe as a "hiccup".
> > This glitch lasts less than a second but is *very* distracting. It's a
> > though the CPU is being interrupted. It happens in all tracks as soon
> > as I race with 17 - 19 AI. I have yet to experience it turning hot
> > laps.

> > I've just re-formatted my drive & re-installed Win98. I was just
> > wondering if the sequence of installing VooDoo drivers & Direct X
> > might make a difference.

> > >Have u put the glide2x.dll (ver 2.53) in the gpl root dir?

> > Yes. I also tried 3dfx reference drivers. Same deal. Swapped
> > VooDoo II's with a friend who has V2 1000's ( old STB's ). Same
> > deal. If I can't get this fixed, might drop back to Win95.

> > Yikes.

> > --
> > " Why bother..." - R. Crumb -

by **Jan Hoviu** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

> >>Having become frustrated with very short, graphic "hiccups" in GPL, I decided
> >>to re-install Win98 from scratch. Here's my questions:

> >>Win98 starts out with Direct X 5 installed. My Diamond VooDoo II's always ask
> >>for Direct X 5 drivers. Shoud I install the Direct X 5 drivers first & then
> >>upgrade to Direct X 6 drivers?

> >>Also, Diamond's read.me states that one should install Direct X 6 itself AFTER
> >>installing the Diamond drivers. Is this considered to be the proper sequence?

> >>PII 450 128 MB RAM
> >>SB Live ( Liveware 1.0 )
> >>Win98 ( ugh )

> >What is ur problem exactly?

> With the above setup & VooDoo II's in SLI, running at 800 X 600, I get
> very nice graphics. About 20 fps on the grid at Monza. As soon as I
> hit Curva Grande, I get 36 fps which continue throughout a race.

> However...

> At random times, I experience what I can best describe as a "hiccup".
> This glitch lasts less than a second but is *very* distracting. It's a
> though the CPU is being interrupted. It happens in all tracks as soon
> as I race with 17 - 19 AI. I have yet to experience it turning hot
> laps.

> I've just re-formatted my drive & re-installed Win98. I was just
> wondering if the sequence of installing VooDoo drivers & Direct X
> might make a difference.

> >Have u put the glide2x.dll (ver 2.53) in the gpl root dir?

> Yes. I also tried 3dfx reference drivers. Same deal. Swapped
> VooDoo II's with a friend who has V2 1000's ( old STB's ). Same
> deal. If I can't get this fixed, might drop back to Win95.

First of all: If you use Glide than the Direct X stuff has nothing to do with it
(anymore). since you experience this hickup in both scenarios (in Glide and DirectX
mode) I think the problem is not related to the graphics card (and/or drivers at
all).
Since I experience these hickups as well (in both MGPRS2 and in GPL (the latter at
a lower rate but nevertheless) and found out that it has probably to do with the
controller (i.c.w. your gameport) I think you're dealin' with the same problem.

This has nothing to do with your CPU-power (in fact the effect becomes more
noticeable with a more powerfull cpu) but more the way your gameport handles
request from your steering wheel. If it't the good old Analog Gameport your CPU
will be very busy "counting" pulses from your wheel (when you're cornering this
becomes noticeable - the number of pulses send to the gameport is directly related
with the angle of your wheel). While iot is counting these pulses it can't do any
calcultations for your sim (a.w. sending 30-36 fps to your display adapter): Voila
the hickup!

A possible solution might be to add an digital gameport (PDPI L4).

Regards,

Jan.

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by m » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:30:59 +0100, "Mark Seery"

>>Having become frustrated with very short, graphic "hiccups" in GPL, I
>>decided to re-install Win98 from scratch. Here's my questions:

[...stuff about Direct X dumped...]

Heck if I know.

Nope. My startup folder is empty.

Yes, I tried that, although with a smaller swap file. I'll put that in
my list of things to try.

Thanx for the input.

--
" Why bother..." - R. Crumb -

by m » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:08:09 -0500, "Rick Miller"

>> Having become frustrated with very short, graphic "hiccups" in GPL, I
>> decided to re-install Win98 from scratch. Here's my questions:
>>Win98 starts out with Direct X 5 installed. My Diamond VooDoo II's
>> always ask for Direct X 5 drivers. Shoud I install the Direct X 5 drivers
>>first & then upgrade to Direct X 6 drivers?
>>Also, Diamond's read.me states that one should install Direct X 6
>itself AFTER installing the Diamond drivers. Is this considered to be the
>> proper sequence?
>> PII 450 128 MB RAM
>> SB Live ( Liveware 1.0 )
>> Win98 ( ugh )
>To actually answer your original question. I usually put all the drivers in
>before Dx 6.1. If you don't all you have to do is install Dx 6.1 again
>after you install the latest driver.

Understood. That's what I did on my latest attempt at installing
Diamond VooDoo II's. Windows ***ed about not finding them
( even though they were in Device Manager ). Then, I borrowed
a freinds' STB VooDoo II's. After installing the drivers, my display
properties sheet had *2* applets for them! Windows now complained
that my display properties ( desk.cpl ) was broken.

Sheesh.

Indeed. In one of my installs, I tried those. Worked quite well
without having Glide 2.53 installed. Still got the "hiccups" though.

*sigh*

Sure. Thanx for the info.

--
" Why bother..." - R. Crumb -

by m » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:35:03 +0200, Jan Hovius

>>Having become frustrated with very short, graphic "hiccups" in GPL, I decided
>>to re-install Win98 from scratch. Here's my questions:
>>Win98 starts out with Direct X 5 installed. My Diamond VooDoo II's always ask
>>for Direct X 5 drivers. Shoud I install the Direct X 5 drivers first & then
>>upgrade to Direct X 6 drivers?
>>Also, Diamond's read.me states that one should install Direct X 6 itself AFTER
>>installing the Diamond drivers. Is this considered to be the proper sequence?
>>PII 450 128 MB RAM
>>SB Live ( Liveware 1.0 )
>>Win98 ( ugh )
>First of all: If you use Glide than the Direct X stuff has nothing to do with it
>(anymore). since you experience this hickup in both scenarios (in Glide and DirectX
>mode) I think the problem is not related to the graphics card (and/or drivers at
>all).

OK. My driver / Direct X theory is just that...theory...:-)

Hmm. Hadn't considered that. I'm using the SB Live gameport. I've read
& agree that it works quite well. Perhaps it's the culprit?

Couple of issues here.

First, is the SB Live gameport digital or analog?

Secondly, I've had these "hiccups" while driving straight. As a matter
of fact, I had a "hiccup" recently going *very* slow, straight down
the back straight at Monza after spinning out. Is the game port still
busy while poking along like this?

I'll certainly consider it. *Anything* to get back to racing...:-)

BTW, I'm using a Thrustmaster Nascar Sprint calibrated as a
Nascar Pro. ( Just to add to the confusion ).

Thanx.

--
" Why bother..." - R. Crumb -

by **Neil Rain** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

> [SNIPPED]

> I've had these "hiccups" while driving straight. As a matter
> of fact, I had a "hiccup" recently going *very* slow, straight down
> the back straight at Monza after spinning out. Is the game port still
> busy while poking along like this?

Don't forget that the accelerator and brake also need to be processed by
the gameport!

I don't know which position gives the least pulses - is it with the
steering wheel in the middle, or full left, or full right?

Similarly, with combined throttle/brake is it with neither pedal
pressed, or full braking or full accelerating, and similarly what
happens with split axis?

The world is full of mystery... Windoze doubly so! ;-)

[Even the BBC Micro had an on-board A-D converter to read analogue
joystick inputs!]

by m » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>> [SNIPPED]
>> I've had these "hiccups" while driving straight. As a matter
>> of fact, I had a "hiccup" recently going *very* slow, straight down
>> the back straight at Monza after spinning out. Is the game port still
>> busy while poking along like this?
>Don't forget that the accelerator and brake also need to be processed by
>the gameport!

Yeah but with a PII 450, I'd think the CPU could handle it without
"hiccuping". I wonder why it only happens rarely?

You're asking me?.....Bwahahahahah

I'm running a split axis setup. What happens is...never mind.

Windows is the BLACK HOLE of OS Mystery.

Hey Papy...can't we get GPL to run in DOS? Opps. Forgot. There's that
bit with the SB Live.

BBC Micro?

--
" Why bother..." - R. Crumb -

by **Neil Rain** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

> >> [SNIPPED]

> >> I've had these "hiccups" while driving straight. As a matter
> >> of fact, I had a "hiccup" recently going *very* slow, straight down
> >> the back straight at Monza after spinning out. Is the game port still
> >> busy while poking along like this?

> >Don't forget that the accelerator and brake also need to be processed by
> >the gameport!

> Yeah but with a PII 450, I'd think the CPU could handle it without
> "hiccuping". I wonder why it only happens rarely?

> >I don't know which position gives the least pulses - is it with the
> >steering wheel in the middle, or full left, or full right?

> You're asking me?.....Bwahahahahah

> >Similarly, with combined throttle/brake is it with neither pedal
> >pressed, or full braking or full accelerating, and similarly what
> >happens with split axis?

> I'm running a split axis setup. What happens is...never mind.

> >The world is full of mystery... Windoze doubly so! ;-)

> Windows is the BLACK HOLE of OS Mystery.

> Hey Papy...can't we get GPL to run in DOS? Opps. Forgot. There's that
> bit with the SB Live.

> >[Even the BBC Micro had an on-board A-D converter to read analogue
> >joystick inputs!]

> BBC Micro?

Ah.

This was the machine Acorn produced in 1980 (or was it '81?) in the UK
for the British Broadcasting Corporation's drive to educate the populace
on the benefits of computers.

Historically interesting for this ng because it was the machine that
Geoff Crammond cut his teeth on (I know this because I worked for
Acornsoft when he wrote his first game (Super Invaders) for us).

He then did his first racing simulator (Revs) for the BBC Micro, which
was *way* ahead of its time in terms of realism (remember Pole
Position?).

I still have my faithful Beeb (and Revs) in a cupboard somewhere at
home...

Would be fun to compare it with GPL sometime! ;-)

PS: Geoff is not in fact God but he is a very nice chap anyway :-)

by m » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>>>> I've had these "hiccups" while driving straight.

[...]

I'm still not convinced. This damn Windows...

Super Invaders. Gotta love that name.

Sure. I still have a copy of it somewhere.

I wonder why it is we save this stuff. I just found an old copy of
Indy 500. Wonder how it would run on the PII.

Yikes.

Heh. Looks like I'll have to find the Indy 500 manual. IIRC, I'll
need some kind of password to fire it up. Page 20, line 3?

He's NOT God? Next thing you'll tell me, Gates in NOT the Devil.

by **Larr** » Tue, 08 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Windows is the worlds most complex and expensive Adventure Game. Scott
Adams would be proud!

-Larry

> Windows is the BLACK HOLE of OS Mystery.

by **Larr** » Tue, 08 Jun 1999 04:00:00

That depends on your perspective:)

He is a brilliant programmer, at the least.

-Larry

> PS: Geoff is not in fact God but he is a very nice chap anyway :-)

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