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by **Tim Wheatle** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what
it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have
shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me
motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't
seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with
a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream).
That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why
was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps
also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips
on getting my head into qualifying mode?

I have no hope!

Tim

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"Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~nascar
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by **^Frett** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Well {to me} your times are not bad and if you race in the 3:20s I would
think that you are no novice but an intermediate. I agree though; everyone
cant be a "hot-shoe" Tim. Just think though that mountain {aka goal} gets
smaller & smaller each race..eh? <BG>
^Fretts...

> Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what
> it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have
> shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me
> motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't
> seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with
> a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream).
> That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why
> was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps
> also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips
> on getting my head into qualifying mode?

> I have no hope!

> Tim

> --
> ________________________________________________

> Tim Wheatley
> "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~nascar
> ________________________________________________

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by **Tim Wheatle** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Thanks, very re-assuring :)

Oh and everyone my page should be up again soon, it's 5am, I have been
re-building it all night, also I am keeping a replica on my computer, if it
happens again I simply upload to a new server, so FortuneCity have one
chance left.

Tim

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Tim Wheatley
"Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
http://start.at/igps_stats
IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant
http://drive.to/grandprixlegends

http://website.lineone.net/~nascar
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by **Marko Viitane** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I do exactly the same thing. It's because in qual you try to be fast, but in
the race you try to be smooth...

btw. that's not even intermediate, that's fast with Honda ;)

by **nobo** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I know what you mean.

ALL of my fastest laps are done in a race.

Having someone to race with seems to motivate me.

Lars.
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:11:28 +0100, "Tim Wheatley"

>Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what
>it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have
>shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me
>motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't
>seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with
>a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream).
>That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why
>was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps
>also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips
>on getting my head into qualifying mode?

>I have no hope!

>Tim

by **Mark E. Moone** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Tim:
Try 3 3 lap sessions with a reduced fuel load, and see if the combo of
fresher tires and less weight do anything for you.

MM

> Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what
> it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have
> shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me
> motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't
> seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with
> a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream).
> That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why
> was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps
> also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips
> on getting my head into qualifying mode?

> I have no hope!

> Tim

> --
> ________________________________________________

> Tim Wheatley
> "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~nascar
> ________________________________________________

by **Alain Genouill** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Same for me ! I believe there is only one thing which could help us improve in
qualifying : intermediate times ! If all tracks were
set up so that you could see your intermediate times every kilometer let say,
then at that time you'll have something to race against ! The ideal being that
you'd have just the difference between the intermediate times of your fastest
last and your current lap, somewhat like it shows in race compared to the
fastest AI.
I know there is an add-on that can do that but only once out of GPL. I'd like
something like a little board appearing when you pass the intermediate mark. Any
good programmer around ?

> Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what
> it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have
> shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me
> motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't
> seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with
> a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream).
> That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why
> was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps
> also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips
> on getting my head into qualifying mode?

> I have no hope!

> Tim

> --
> ________________________________________________

> Tim Wheatley
> "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~nascar
> ________________________________________________

by **Toni Lassi** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Actually that would propably increase laptimes since the tires take at
least two laps to warm to the optimum temperature. And the first hot
lap is seldom the fastest.

by **schwab** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I'm no programmer... but good idea!

--dave

> Same for me ! I believe there is only one thing which could help us improve in
> qualifying : intermediate times ! If all tracks were
> set up so that you could see your intermediate times every kilometer let say,
> then at that time you'll have something to race against ! The ideal being that
> you'd have just the difference between the intermediate times of your fastest
> last and your current lap, somewhat like it shows in race compared to the
> fastest AI.
> I know there is an add-on that can do that but only once out of GPL. I'd like
> something like a little board appearing when you pass the intermediate mark. Any
> good programmer around ?

> > Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what
> > it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have
> > shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me
> > motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't
> > seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with
> > a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream).
> > That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why
> > was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps
> > also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips
> > on getting my head into qualifying mode?

> > I have no hope!

> > Tim

> > --
> > ________________________________________________

> > Tim Wheatley
> > "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~nascar
> > ________________________________________________

--
Dave Schwabe
The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schwabe

by **Maps** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:17:53 +0300, "Marko Viitanen"

>I do exactly the same thing. It's because in qual you try to be fast, but in
>the race you try to be smooth...

That is a very good point. I'm assuming it isn't lack of motivation
that Tim is describing- he's attacking the course. But after several
laps in a race, you've got a rhythm, your mind is planted in the
situation, and you aren't pushing the car around as much, IMO.

Put it this way, in a qual sess, I always brake too late.
Instinctually I do that becaue I feel that is where I'm getting my
speed. But of course, in most cases, it is the speed I leave the turn
that really matters- and by braking late, I actually come off slower!

Being conservative, as in a race, often means being smooth.

by **turbojo** » Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Damn good idea! I am always wondering if a new line I am trying is really
faster. Section timing would let you know real time,not after you have
finished the lap and then it only gives you the previous lap time. Some one
has got to be able to do this. Hey Papy, how about this in a patch?

Joe

> Same for me ! I believe there is only one thing which could help us
improve in
> qualifying : intermediate times ! If all tracks were
> set up so that you could see your intermediate times every kilometer let
say,
> then at that time you'll have something to race against ! The ideal being
that
> you'd have just the difference between the intermediate times of your
fastest
> last and your current lap, somewhat like it shows in race compared to the
> fastest AI.
> I know there is an add-on that can do that but only once out of GPL. I'd
like
> something like a little board appearing when you pass the intermediate
mark. Any
> good programmer around ?

> > Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have
what
> > it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I
have
> > shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give
me
> > motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time
doesn't
> > seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified
with
> > a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO
slipstream).
> > That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but
why
> > was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9
laps
> > also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have
tips
> > on getting my head into qualifying mode?

> > I have no hope!

> > Tim

> > --
> > ________________________________________________

> > Tim Wheatley
> > "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~nascar
> > ________________________________________________

by **Maps** » Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:00:00

>> Same for me ! I believe there is only one thing which could help us improve in
>> qualifying : intermediate times ! If all tracks were
>> set up so that you could see your intermediate times every kilometer let say,
>> then at that time you'll have something to race against !

I'd love that, and I'd also love in-car tire-temps and ability to see
driver order and so forth... but it all start to run in to the fact
that this is a sim of 1967, and there were no in-car radios then
(AFAIK), nor the technology to give instantaneous lap times and
splits.

That said, I'd still put on an add-on that would give me all these
things. Tire temps in particular is something I'd love to see even
more, and which would save me a lot of experiment time.

by **BendsMast** » Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I am the same. My best laps have come from races in which I spent lap
after lap try to get closer to the car in front, specially when I;m
second in a race; I seem to have the car glued to the track in those
situations, and I never seem to try too hard or blow the engine as
opposed to hot lapping.
My latest solution to this problem (it's been working for me
anyway...) is to have the AI fastest driver (J.Clark in my case, I
like the original drivers names incidently) cars always set in between
1 and 3 seconds faster than my fastest time.
At qualifying, I accelerate it for a bit, until the initial fastest
lap has been set by J.Clark. Then I wait until he crosses the finish
line and set off from the pits in pursue of him, If I overtake after
initially putting some distance between my car and the AI car, then I
am doing well. I usually hit my fastest time in 2 laps nowadays, not
counting the "warm-up 1st lap".
My fastest time in Spa during a race is 3:19.89 driving a Lotus. that
is my absolute record in Spa, which is where I've been racing for the
last 2 months.
I am sure you've seen replays of guys hitting 3.14s in Spa, I just
don't think about those sort of times at the moment, frightening...

MAOA

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