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Nascar Legends 2 ?

Blues DeVill

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Blues DeVill » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:11:47

How about a sequel to NL based on the new N4 physics model ?
(or the "old" GPL engine, depends on how you look at it...)

Seen a lot of request for CART but nobody for NL ?

Blues

Dave Henri

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Dave Henri » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:27:17

  considering how NOBODY races NL  I can't imagine them getting
the approval to build another version of it.  The tptcc guys even
added the 1970's trans am cars and still we get VERY LITTLE
action with NL.  There is one league that I know of...Almost
everytime I check out the multiplayer lobby it is stone cold empty.
dave henrie

ymenar

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by ymenar » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:24:12


> Seen a lot of request for CART but nobody for NL ?

NL bombed, I doubt we'll ever see against an historical sim unless Sierra
changes their mentality and gives the approval at Papy to do a less
mainstream software.

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Kendt Eklu

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Kendt Eklu » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:52:47



Just guessing, but I bet NL would have done at least a bit better if
it had been developed and released as an expansion pack for N3, and
sold for an appropriate price.  Only real reason I bought it was
curiousity, and wanting Papy to have money for GPL2 ;).

I would imagine that right now all Papy is working on is finishing N4.
For offline racers, they have simply never released a more incomplete
product.  I understand how ambitious and complicated N4 is, I'm just
sad they had to succumb to the pressure and release at the beginning
of the NASCAR season.

It would be a damn shame if Sierra uses any failings of N4 to restrict
plans for future *** sims.  Papyrus!  Sierra!  Pay attention!
Look how old GPL is, and what a loyal following it *still* has.

I've said it before - give me a GPL-level sim of 70's F1, or late
60-70's sports cars, and I'd gladly pay $100 the day it arrived in the
store.  The West brothers can get the extra $60 too if they include
classic LeMans racers ;).

Kendt

Jagg

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Jagg » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:23:18



>The West brothers can get the extra $60 too if they include
>classic LeMans racers ;).

>Kendt

WSC is supposed to be quite open ended so 3rd party users can add them
if they don't in the initial software package.
Zonk

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Zonk » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:36:25


translates to, Sierra/Papy change there minds not to seek profitable ***  
;)

Sadly, it's safe to say that historical sims are probably not going to
happen again.

(who desperately wanted a early 80's Group C sim).

Z.

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Zonk

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Zonk » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:37:01


Loyal followings is nice and all, but where is the revenue?

Be realistic.

Z.

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Gregor Vebl

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Gregor Vebl » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:49:51

According to the info provided at the High Gear site, I don't think it's
a problem as Nascar 4 reached up to the 5th place in th US selling
charts, and is still in the top 10.

I'm sure we'll see Nascar 5 as well :).

-Gregor


> It would be a damn shame if Sierra uses any failings of N4 to restrict
> plans for future *** sims.  

MP

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by MP » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:03:34



Can't see that there's much point to a Nascar Legends 2, after all GPL
modelled an F1 era that was totally different to today's safety-first
boring-tracks formula. The cars in NL in so much that they are big-ass
V8 heavyweights, are not that different to todays. Neither are the
tracks.

Now 70's F1 - that would be cool. If only Papyrus/Sierra would license
their GPL engine to other developers.

- Michael

Zonk

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Zonk » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:13:50


What is the point? GPL was a sales disaster. Who in their right mind is
going to want to use that engine on another historical sim?

Please live in the real world :)

Z.

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Neil Rain

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Neil Rain » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:19:11



> >Now 70's F1 - that would be cool. If only Papyrus/Sierra would license
> >their GPL engine to other developers.

> What is the point? GPL was a sales disaster. Who in their right mind is
> going to want to use that engine on another historical sim?

It's also the best driving simulator yet written, due to the quality of the
physics engine.

If it was a sales disaster it probably reflects the fact that it's so hard
to learn, and didn't work well on a lot of the systems that were out there
at the time of its release.

It may also reflect a lack of interest in '67 F1, but I couldn't say for
sure.

I don't see why the physics engine itself is a drawback, as long as there is
an arcade mode for the drooling masses to enjoy.

What, when we could be driving '67 F1 cars on the original tracks?  No
thanks!  ;-)

Thom j

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Thom j » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:49:01

Hey don't forget putting a bunch of wacky Europeans running on & off the
tracks too.. hahahaha Demolition-GPL70s... <vbg> Btw: Why not an 80s
version instead? Cheers Thom_j.


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| I don't see why the physics engine itself is a drawback, as long as there
is
| an arcade mode for the drooling masses to enjoy.
<snipped again>

Blues DeVill

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Blues DeVill » Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:35:20

Well, you can't ignore the fact that it's easier for a lot of
people to identify themselfs with today's drivers.
I personally bought GPL because it was the first to have
the Zandvoort track (i live in Holland), and i never even
had heard of guys like Rodriguez or Siffert.
GPL got me more interested in the history of racing, as did NL
with Nascar's history, but that doesn't apply to everyone, i'm afraid...

Blues

drinklim

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by drinklim » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:07:27

How did Sierra/Papyrus seriously expect to sell many copies of NL? Nascar 3
just came out, and people were complaining that N3 should have been GPL bla
bla bla, and then a couple months later, NL with the same engine, and not a
whole lot of difference, comes out. Of course it didnt sell well.




> >It would be a damn shame if Sierra uses any failings of N4 to restrict
> >plans for future *** sims.  Papyrus!  Sierra!  Pay attention!
> >Look how old GPL is, and what a loyal following it *still* has.

> Loyal followings is nice and all, but where is the revenue?

> Be realistic.

> Z.

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ymenar

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by ymenar » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 04:55:58


> What is the point? GPL was a sales disaster.

I still disagree with that, from a certain point of view.  That's like
saying the newest Jazz album by Wynton Marsalis was a sales disaster only
because it did not sell multi-million copies to every ***.  That's how
Sierra thinks, as they were never able to have an approach.  NL bombed not
because it didn't sell well, but even for the market it was aimed for, it
did not sell.  GPL was a hit for us, an incredible hit!

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