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Nascar Legends 2 ?

ymenar

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by ymenar » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 04:51:58


> translates to, Sierra/Papy change there minds not to seek profitable
***
> ;)

Hehe sad indeed but true.  I've always been at the frontline of a less
mainstream line of software in the simracing community.  I'm absolutely sure
it's possible.  TV, movies, music, most of the "entertainment" types have
since long been able to do so, so why not the *** industry?  Sierra has
difficulties understanding that, which is quite interesting if you look at
their business concept.  They said they "lost" money, as in, Papyrus could
had created something that would had sold much more in the time-span that
GPL was created.  Papyrus isn't the biggest box in the industry, they aren't
500 employees.  They are still not super-small as they do have multiple
project within the development group.  It's imho the perfect size for my
"less mainstream" philosophy.  GPL and NL are incredibly good titles.  I
agree that NL wasn't marketed properly even to us the *** simracers.
It barely had recognition by anybody :(

Unless somebody brings us an real open-source sim.  <hint: WSC>

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ymenar

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by ymenar » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 04:57:11


> If it was a sales disaster it probably reflects the fact that it's so hard
> to learn, and didn't work well on a lot of the systems that were out there
> at the time of its release.

That can't be the reason anymore, see how Nascar Racing 4 is at the top of
the charts since it's release.  All the points above are applied to it.

It's the one and only reason.

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Alan Conceic

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Alan Conceic » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 05:09:56

Was it the engine's fault or the license? Who cares if its just historical
sims? Hell, ANY sim...they could be made cheaper as a result and maybe, just
maybe, turn a profit.

-
 Alan

Rob Adam

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Rob Adam » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 05:15:36

GPL was an impulse buy for me, mostly driven by RAS. I would normally never
have bought it for the reason ymenard says: 1967 F1 was of no interest to
me. I'm sure glad I did - it has been a major part of my life ever since.

Lets face it, brand recognition is the major marketing force these days -
the majority of PC gamers were born after 1967.



> > If it was a sales disaster it probably reflects the fact that it's so
hard
> > to learn, and didn't work well on a lot of the systems that were out
there
> > at the time of its release.

> That can't be the reason anymore, see how Nascar Racing 4 is at the top of
> the charts since it's release.  All the points above are applied to it.

> > It may also reflect a lack of interest in '67 F1, but I couldn't say for
> > sure.

> It's the one and only reason.

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> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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Jon Dento

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Jon Dento » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:32:08

It must be, N4 or GP3 aren't exactly "easy" when you turn off driver aids
but they have something for the buying masses to associate with.

I bought GPL with a vague knowledge of F1 in the late 60's (I had heard of
the Lotus 49 and a handful of the drivers from the time), the people who
could associate with it truly would have been the people there at the time,
a general age group that don't buy a lot of computer games.

The difficulty was still quoted as an issue and I think N4 and GP3 provide
the user with better driver aids so that they can be playable for all, plus
of course GP3 can be played on keys (Not everyone who might want to buy
games has a wheel!) which GPL cannot.

Of course, I don't suggest that driver aids or decent keyboard control would
have saved GPL, but I caught a friend of mine father in law trying to throw
away his copy because it was "Rubbish, I just kept crashing", he was using
keys!!

Papyrus should knock out an add on pack that gives us either 1976 or 1982,
but they won't :o(

Jon.

Jon Dento

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Jon Dento » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:33:31

The nearest to brand recognition they got was to put a picture of a Ferrari
on the front!

I bet that alone counted for most of the impulse purchases!!

Eldre

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Eldre » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:39:40


(Zonky) writes:

>>Now 70's F1 - that would be cool. If only Papyrus/Sierra would license
>>their GPL engine to other developers.

>What is the point? GPL was a sales disaster. Who in their right mind is
>going to want to use that engine on another historical sim?

>Please live in the real world :)

Doesn't N4 also use the GPL engine(or derivative)?  That doesn't seem to have a
problem selling.  It's not the engine.  It's the subject matter, and the fact
that they TOTALLY missed the boat on advertising/promotion.
The number we see a lot is 40,000 copies sold.  Does that mean that only 40,000
TOTAL were sold, or 100,000 sold with 60,000 returns because the game was 'too
hard'?  If it's the latter, then I'll agree with you.  If it's the former, then
someone dropped the ball on promotion...

Eldred
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Eldre

Nascar Legends 2 ?

by Eldre » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:39:41


Group C?  I'm not familiar with that term.

Eldred
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