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Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

Edinato

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by Edinato » Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:09:01

Hello Fellow Sim Racers,
I would like put together a new system. I think I would probably go with an
AMD CPU as the cost seems more in line with my thinking than the P4. Perhaps
an 1700+ XP. Anyway, what suggestions do you have for a motherboard, video
card, sound card and operating system? I would like to end up with a system
that I can run GPL, GP3, and N4 on. Thinking of the future I might also want
to run F1 2002, NASCAR 2002 and WSC.

Thanks in advance for your replies,
Ed

Milhous

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by Milhous » Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:46:05

If you have absolutely no desire to overclock, get an ECS K7S5A.  Dirt cheap
and reliable.  But almost zero overclocking features aside from a few
programs and hacked BIOSes.  It also does both SDR and DDR RAM if you want.

For a DDR board, I've heard great things about the K7S6A, (which does have
overclockability!) or just about any KT266A board.  KT133A boards rock for
SDRAM.

Milhouse


> Hello Fellow Sim Racers,
> I would like put together a new system. I think I would probably go with
an
> AMD CPU as the cost seems more in line with my thinking than the P4.
Perhaps
> an 1700+ XP. Anyway, what suggestions do you have for a motherboard, video
> card, sound card and operating system? I would like to end up with a
system
> that I can run GPL, GP3, and N4 on. Thinking of the future I might also
want
> to run F1 2002, NASCAR 2002 and WSC.

> Thanks in advance for your replies,
> Ed


jon

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by jon » Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:12:05

If you plan on eventually getting a gf4, ask around in the ng's for the
motherboard  you plan on getting if people have tried it. Built myself a new
one in january, and now I find out my mb (gigabyte 7vtxh) won't work with a
gf4.


> Hello Fellow Sim Racers,
> I would like put together a new system. I think I would probably go with
an
> AMD CPU as the cost seems more in line with my thinking than the P4.
Perhaps
> an 1700+ XP. Anyway, what suggestions do you have for a motherboard, video
> card, sound card and operating system? I would like to end up with a
system
> that I can run GPL, GP3, and N4 on. Thinking of the future I might also
want
> to run F1 2002, NASCAR 2002 and WSC.

> Thanks in advance for your replies,
> Ed


Spadge Fromle

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by Spadge Fromle » Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:37:37

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:46:05 GMT, "Milhouse"


>If you have absolutely no desire to overclock, get an ECS K7S5A.  Dirt cheap
>and reliable.  But almost zero overclocking features aside from a few
>programs and hacked BIOSes.  It also does both SDR and DDR RAM if you want.

>For a DDR board, I've heard great things about the K7S6A, (which does have
>overclockability!) or just about any KT266A board.  KT133A boards rock for
>SDRAM.

>Milhouse

I'd go with Asus or Abit for motherboard, personally.  I agree with
the KT133a/KT266a statement above, though.

For Soundcards, I'd recommend a cheap Audigy.  Sounds just as good as
an expensive Audigy, and there's less hardware for Creative Labs to
completely fail to support, or write working drivers for, on it.

For Graphics, any 2nd Generation GPU card is going to be ok.  IE,
Radeon, GeForce2, etc.  These can be picked up quite cheaply.  Spend
more on a killer GeF4-TI (don't bother with the MX) or GeF3, or a
Radeon8500, if you want more future-proofing, and whistles&bells.

Windows XP is the best MS OS to date (not very stiff competition
there).  So long as you shy away from NTFS for *** systems, it
should (in theory) run any game that ever worked in a previous Windows
OS.

I hope this helps you.  If you need any further information, I'm
available for comment.

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Ren?? Wiebe

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by Ren?? Wiebe » Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:22:02

Can you tell me what's wrong with NTFS for *** systems?

Goy Larse

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by Goy Larse » Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:40:06


> >Windows XP is the best MS OS to date (not very stiff competition
> >there).  So long as you shy away from NTFS for *** systems, it
> >should (in theory) run any game that ever worked in a previous Windows
> >OS.

> Can you tell me what's wrong with NTFS for *** systems?

Some games flat out refuse to work, how's that ? :-)

People here have reported GPL not running when installed on an NTFS
partition, yet running without problem on the same partition converted
to FAT32, not sure how widespread this problem is though, could be
isolated to GPL, but since the guy is building a new system for amongst
others GPL....

Beers and cheers
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Big Mac

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by Big Mac » Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:08:19

One Posibility

One of the issues with NTFS is security.  I am not sure if GPL need to
write to the HD while running but, if you don't have admin rights to the
system then there is a posibility that GPL can not access the HD the way
it was designed to.

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Chris H

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by Chris H » Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:34:27

Let's dispel what seems to be the start of a myth here.  Sure, some much older games won't "just run" on Windows XP, but that's why compatibility mode is included.  NTFS and FAT32 platforms are the same in XP the way games are played, whether they use compatibility mode or not.  I'm running GPL, F1 2001, etc., just fine on XP Pro in a clean install on NTFS.  

The main difference isn't between the two XP platforms but in understanding where, what and how XP differs from the Win9x line.  Windows XP is from the NT line.  If you're running XP Home, the security is much different between the Limited User and Administrator-authorized accounts.  Either you give the Limited User full access rights to all programs and files by taking them into the Administrator group, or deny them from using the program.  Under XP Pro, you can authorize individual programs (like GPL) to be available to specific users, a user group or anyone individually you want - without giving them full access to all the files on the computer.  Both these situations arise whether FAT32 or NTFS is used, and only varies whether the operating system is Home or Pro.  If a program is installed under an Admin account, and if that program isn't smart enough to ask whether the program is for just that user or all users, then no one else will be able to use it.  Fortunately, the newer games coming out now have more "intelligence" about XP and will ask.  The just-released Dungeon Siege is a good example of a smarter install system.  They'll get better as games are developed which know about XP.
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Spadge Fromle

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by Spadge Fromle » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 03:08:08



So basically yeah, it's all about disk permissions, which is exactly
why you want NTFS in NT.

Lazy programmers of the recent past have just put a 'check whether the
OS is NT' into the install code.  Like NFS did.  They obviously
thought that this was easier than checking direct-x versions.  So NFS
flat refused to install in Win2k, even though you could run the game
in 2k fine.

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Eldre

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by Eldre » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:36:45



>Let's dispel what seems to be the start of a myth here.  Sure, some much =
>older games won't "just run" on Windows XP, but that's why compatibility =
>mode is included.  NTFS and FAT32 platforms are the same in XP the way =
>games are played, whether they use compatibility mode or not.  I'm =
>running GPL, F1 2001, etc., just fine on XP Pro in a clean install on =
>NTFS. =20

If a program is installed under an Admin account, and if that =

I've had problems running GPL on Win2k with NTFS...  It was installed under an
Admin account, and it's being RUN from an Admin account.  No joy.
It really seems to be random why some people can get it to work, and others
can't... :(

Eldred
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Chris H

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by Chris H » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:00:14

I believe we talked about this before?  Guess I'm going to have create another partition to install Win2K and see what I can recreate.  8-)
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> >Let's dispel what seems to be the start of a myth here.  Sure, some much =
> >older games won't "just run" on Windows XP, but that's why compatibility =
> >mode is included.  NTFS and FAT32 platforms are the same in XP the way =
> >games are played, whether they use compatibility mode or not.  I'm =
> >running GPL, F1 2001, etc., just fine on XP Pro in a clean install on =
> >NTFS. =20

> If a program is installed under an Admin account, and if that =
> >program isn't smart enough to ask whether the program is for just that =
> >user or all users, then no one else will be able to use it.

> I've had problems running GPL on Win2k with NTFS...  It was installed under an
> Admin account, and it's being RUN from an Admin account.  No joy.
> It really seems to be random why some people can get it to work, and others
> can't... :(

> Eldred
> --
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> GPLRank - under construction...

> Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions'  blazing 2001 start of 0-12???
> Currently at 0-10 as of April13th...stay tuned...
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b..

Deciding on a new system, GPL,N4,GP3 - suggestions wanted

by b.. » Thu, 18 Apr 2002 05:41:53

My present choices:

Athlon 1.4 (new XP would be slightly better)
Soltek DRV4 (KT266A boards are generally fast and stable, this one is
more foolproof than most)
Geforce 2 Pro (to be replaced by GeF4 Ti 4200 when available)
Win 2K (much more stable than 9x, I have no problem with GPL on an
NTFS partition, Win2K can also use FAT32)

I play GPL, N2002, F12001.


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