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> Yeah, I know.  Next week we start all over again. :)

> > There were a lot of arguments flying around, and about 95% of it
directed at
> > you.  You also gave me grief for not passing you at NHIS during yellow.
You
> > said pass, my spotter said stay back.  You'll forgive me it I listen to
my
> > spotter instead of YOU...
> > Then at Indy, the arguments started again.  Rather then have that
continue
> > throughout the 2nd race, I chose to remove what I saw as the problem.
Chalk it
> > up to you're being a 'rookie'.  Them I knew - you I didn't.  I'll have
to check
> > the replay.  If I was mistaken, I apologize.  You weren't banned from
the
> > server, just kicked out of THAT race.

> I was just pokin' him in the ribs, and he got pissy.  I wouldn't exactly
> call it an argument.

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>Eldred,

>I say this in a nice manner :)

>You _were_ wrong :)

>Ejections should be a last resort.  Wreckers.  People driving backwards.
>Sustained use of bad lanquage.

>No one even came close to qualifying for ejection status during those races.
>No one.

>I was assumed guilty of something booted.

>Please think about that :)

> Larry, don't take their ranting and raving personal. Some people race,
> others talk about it. I thought you ran a good race and didn't see any
> problem with your driving. They should have been busting my balls, I stunk
> up the first race and then caused a big wreck while leading with one to go
> at Indy. Just one of those days. You can turn chat off then you don't have
> to listen to it. (-:

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> > Ok, I need to speak my mind on this...

> > For the first time, I joined in on the RAS race today.  I was looking
> > towards some nice, clean racing with experienced people.  People who I
> > thought respected others.

> > These are not two of my best tracks (Loudon and Indy).  I'm not
> particularly
> > fast at flat tracks.

> > So, my goal was to finish the races without any damage, and just get
some
> > laps in.

> > I accomplished that.  I finished the Loudon race (8th), and didn't have
a
> > scratch.  One person said I put them into the wall.  If I did, I'm
sorry,
> > but I sure didn't feel any contact with ANYONE that whole race.  If we
> were
> > that close, then it's entirely possible that a slight warp, air, or
> whatever
> > caused it.  The point is, I never felt a thing, or saw a thing, and if I
> DID
> > know I caused something I would have been the first to apologize for it.
> I
> > don't rememer who was saying I wrecked them, but it was V-something.

> > I will most certainly look at the replay (I saved it), and will respond
> back
> > later after I see if I can find out what, exactly, you are referring to.

> > The only incident I KNOW I caused was during practice when I went inside
> of
> > someone a little too hot.  I apologized for that after I had a chance to
> > think about it.

> > Now, for some reason beyond my comprehension, JSimmons was riding my
***
> at
> > Indy.  I didn't do a thing to him, anywhere, at any time, ye he felt it
> was
> > necessary to come after me verbally.

> > And, for a grand finally, epickett ejected me during practice at Indy.
As
> > best all I can tell, all I did was say that JSimmons mouth was getting
to
> be
> > a bit much.

> > And, if I remember correctly, someone else told him this durning the
> Loudon
> > race as well.

> > But, I guess I'm not one of the "Good Ol' Boys", and I don't rank the
> > privilage of speaking my mind.

> > Compared to some of the incidents I saw, and the arguments that were
going
> > on, I was a clean racer with a civil tongue.  Some of the language used
> and
> > temperaments were far, far beyond anything _I_ could even think of
doing.
> > Yet _I_ get ejected?

> > Ok, fine.  I can live with that.  But, I'm extremely disappointed in
what
> I
> > saw today.

> > So, in short, this whole experience has completely ruined the RAS event
> for
> > me.  I don't like what I saw, and I don't care to be a part of it.

> > If racing as clean as possible, and maintaining a civil tongue isn't
> enough,
> > then I sure don't know what is.

> > I don't need it.  I've found more civilized Open races.

> > Finally, congratulations to Ian for winning Loudon.  I would have liked
to
> > race with you at Indy, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.

> > -Larry

> Hi John,

> please keep sharing your knowledge about these rule related matters.

> For me, everything you've said so far in that respect was utterly
> informative and helpful. I couldn't find information similarly up-to-date
> and pertaining to actual, current events (and hence similarly intelligible
> and digestible to a Nascar Newbie) anywhere else.

> I've read all your comments with interest and profound gratefulness, and
if
> you'd give me advice in a race, I'd be even more grateful!

> I don't think Dave was referring to your posts. Please keep posting!

> Achim

> >   P.p.s  <G>  Sorry if I offended anyone; that wasn't the point.  Just
was
> > trying to explain to Larry why some things may not have occurred/people
> did
> > things a certain way, during the race.

> > -John

> > >   No you wouldn't have Dave, fwiw(passed cars/penalty, etc.)  Not if
you
> > > were where you needed to be before the marks, assuming you weren't
> > supposed
> > > to pass.

> > > -John

> > > p.s.  For the record, I didn't say a thing about rules during the
race,
> > > don't recall anyone else either, but may have missed it; this post was
> > just
> > > trying to help/advise is all..........I'll keep my mouth shut in the
> > future
> > > :)

> I hope I didn't say anything negative about John's posts. It definitely
> wasn't intentional if it appears I did.

> David G Fisher

> > Hi John,

> > please keep sharing your knowledge about these rule related matters.

> > For me, everything you've said so far in that respect was utterly
> > informative and helpful. I couldn't find information similarly
up-to-date
> > and pertaining to actual, current events (and hence similarly
intelligible
> > and digestible to a Nascar Newbie) anywhere else.

> > I've read all your comments with interest and profound gratefulness, and
> if
> > you'd give me advice in a race, I'd be even more grateful!

> > I don't think Dave was referring to your posts. Please keep posting!

> > Achim

> > >   P.p.s  <G>  Sorry if I offended anyone; that wasn't the point.  Just
> was
> > > trying to explain to Larry why some things may not have
occurred/people
> > did
> > > things a certain way, during the race.

> > > -John

> > > >   No you wouldn't have Dave, fwiw(passed cars/penalty, etc.)  Not if
> you
> > > > were where you needed to be before the marks, assuming you weren't
> > > supposed
> > > > to pass.

> > > > -John

> > > > p.s.  For the record, I didn't say a thing about rules during the
> race,
> > > > don't recall anyone else either, but may have missed it; this post
was
> > > just
> > > > trying to help/advise is all..........I'll keep my mouth shut in the
> > > future
> > > > :)

>The problem was that Ed was behind you, and I was behind Ed.  I was
>being told to stay behind Ed, but to also pass the pace car.  Ed was
>being told to stay behind you, but to pass the pace car.

>I think it's just one of those things you need to know. I pay little
>attention to the spotter and just use situational awareness.

>Eldred, is there a server replay available for the Indy race? Not related
>to the current conversation :-)

>At least, this was how it appeared to me at the time. However John Middleton
>said it appeared as though Eldred was hit after the race, so I checked.
>Turns out that:

>- I was still much higher up the track than I thought.

>- Eventhough my replay doesn't show actual contact it was way too close for
>comfort. Any warp at all would have led to contact at Eldred's end (and
>reports on my connection are not good to say the least) and even if it
>didn't I slewed and slowed into his path, giving him a right old "brake
>test".