rec.autos.simulators

>And, for a grand finally, epickett ejected me during practice at Indy.  As
>best all I can tell, all I did was say that JSimmons mouth was getting to be
>a bit much.

>And, if I remember correctly, someone else told him this durning the Loudon
>race as well.

>But, I guess I'm not one of the "Good Ol' Boys", and I don't rank the
>privilage of speaking my mind.

>Compared to some of the incidents I saw, and the arguments that were going
>on, I was a clean racer with a civil tongue.  Some of the language used and
>temperaments were far, far beyond anything _I_ could even think of doing.
>Yet _I_ get ejected?

>  I.e, you can pass all you want under yellow........as long as you're where
>you should be before pit entrance/the s/f line, so if in doubt, try passing
>a car/pace car.
>  If you shouldn't, your spotter will tell you, and fall in line.  If no
>message, keep going.

>-John

>> Yeah, just chalk it up to bad luck.  I've never seen it happen before, and
>> it will probably be 1000 races before I see it again :)

>> -Larry

>> >   Well, I don't know how/why to be honest.  It's not the sim's fault.
>> It's
>> > the fault of whoever was furthest up the field, still behind the pace
>car,
>> > who needed to pass the pass car, thus allowing everyone else who needed
>to
>> > too, to be able to........whew<G>

>> >   I imagine the car "in the lead" (of those needing to pass the pace
>car),
>> > his spotter did/was telling him to pass the pace car, but just missed
>the
>> > message, etc.

> > For the first time, I joined in on the RAS race today.  I was looking
> > towards some nice, clean racing with experienced people.  People who I
> > thought respected others.

> Normally that is what you'd get, I don't know what happened tonight but
> there was a feeling of tension.

> > These are not two of my best tracks (Loudon and Indy).  I'm not
> particularly
> > fast at flat tracks.

> Was my first time at Loudon as well, something about the track must suit
my
> driving ;)

> > I will most certainly look at the replay (I saved it), and will respond
> back
> > later after I see if I can find out what, exactly, you are referring to.

> I haven't  had chance to look through the replay yet, but will certainly
> give you the benefit of the doubt (at the very least) until I do ;)

> > The only incident I KNOW I caused was during practice when I went inside
> of
> > someone a little too hot.  I apologized for that after I had a chance to
> > think about it.

> That's what practice is for <G>

> > Now, for some reason beyond my comprehension, JSimmons was riding my
***
> at
> > Indy.  I didn't do a thing to him, anywhere, at any time, ye he felt it
> was
> > necessary to come after me verbally.

> I *think* John was just messing about.

> > And, for a grand finally, epickett ejected me during practice at Indy.
As
> > best all I can tell, all I did was say that JSimmons mouth was getting
to
> be
> > a bit much.

> > And, if I remember correctly, someone else told him this durning the
> Loudon
> > race as well.

> I seem to remember that too. There was that much chatting I basically
> ignored most of it.

> > But, I guess I'm not one of the "Good Ol' Boys", and I don't rank the
> > privilage of speaking my mind.

> I'm by no means one of the good old boys, in fact I am very new to NASCAR
> racing, but I would also speak my mind if I was in your position.
> I think a good idea may be to use a *real* name when racing in RASCAR,
> people tend to be suspicious of drivers with *fake* names unless they're
> known to them.

> > Compared to some of the incidents I saw, and the arguments that were
going
> > on, I was a clean racer with a civil tongue.  Some of the language used
> and
> > temperaments were far, far beyond anything _I_ could even think of
doing.
> > Yet _I_ get ejected?

> Again I tend to agree. Maybe it's to do with the fake name ?

> > Ok, fine.  I can live with that.  But, I'm extremely disappointed in
what
> I
> > saw today.

> > So, in short, this whole experience has completely ruined the RAS event
> for
> > me.  I don't like what I saw, and I don't care to be a part of it.

> > If racing as clean as possible, and maintaining a civil tongue isn't
> enough,
> > then I sure don't know what is.

> > I don't need it.  I've found more civilized Open races.

> To be honest, it does seem like an over reaction that you wre kicked from
> the server, but maybe it was because the tension was high.

> > Finally, congratulations to Ian for winning Loudon.  I would have liked
to
> > race with you at Indy, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.

> Thanks, it was my first RASCAR win :)
> Indy was also a great race, apart from the final lap when all hell broke
> loose on the restart. I don't think a single car made it through.
> Mike was once again blisteringly fast, but I think his tyres had gone away
> and on the restart he had a brief moment where he had to lift and got a
bit
> sideways. I didn't have much time to react so I just went low,
unfortunately
> he came down the track, we tangled and we both got collected by the #7 car
> who had chosen the gap in the middle line. Then every other car on the
track
> got caught up in it.
> I even managed to hit the pacecar as it was leaving pit lane, which was
> lucky because it flipped me back onto my wheels so I could just grab a 3rd
> place finish :)

> > -Larry

> --

> Ian P
> <email invalid due to spam>

> I just finished looking at the replay and you didn't cause one incident
the
> whole race, except for the time you and Jan warped, which didn't even
bring
> out a yellow.

> I think you're owed an apology by some people and should stay in the
RASCAR
> races.

> David G Fisher

> > Ok, I need to speak my mind on this...

> > For the first time, I joined in on the RAS race today.  I was looking
> > towards some nice, clean racing with experienced people.  People who I
> > thought respected others.

> > These are not two of my best tracks (Loudon and Indy).  I'm not
> particularly
> > fast at flat tracks.

> > So, my goal was to finish the races without any damage, and just get
some
> > laps in.

> > I accomplished that.  I finished the Loudon race (8th), and didn't have
a
> > scratch.  One person said I put them into the wall.  If I did, I'm
sorry,
> > but I sure didn't feel any contact with ANYONE that whole race.  If we
> were
> > that close, then it's entirely possible that a slight warp, air, or
> whatever
> > caused it.  The point is, I never felt a thing, or saw a thing, and if I
> DID
> > know I caused something I would have been the first to apologize for it.
> I
> > don't rememer who was saying I wrecked them, but it was V-something.

> > I will most certainly look at the replay (I saved it), and will respond
> back
> > later after I see if I can find out what, exactly, you are referring to.

> > The only incident I KNOW I caused was during practice when I went inside
> of
> > someone a little too hot.  I apologized for that after I had a chance to
> > think about it.

> > Now, for some reason beyond my comprehension, JSimmons was riding my
***
> at
> > Indy.  I didn't do a thing to him, anywhere, at any time, ye he felt it
> was
> > necessary to come after me verbally.

> > And, for a grand finally, epickett ejected me during practice at Indy.
As
> > best all I can tell, all I did was say that JSimmons mouth was getting
to
> be
> > a bit much.

> > And, if I remember correctly, someone else told him this durning the
> Loudon
> > race as well.

> > But, I guess I'm not one of the "Good Ol' Boys", and I don't rank the
> > privilage of speaking my mind.

> > Compared to some of the incidents I saw, and the arguments that were
going
> > on, I was a clean racer with a civil tongue.  Some of the language used
> and
> > temperaments were far, far beyond anything _I_ could even think of
doing.
> > Yet _I_ get ejected?

> > Ok, fine.  I can live with that.  But, I'm extremely disappointed in
what
> I
> > saw today.

> > So, in short, this whole experience has completely ruined the RAS event
> for
> > me.  I don't like what I saw, and I don't care to be a part of it.

> > If racing as clean as possible, and maintaining a civil tongue isn't
> enough,
> > then I sure don't know what is.

> > I don't need it.  I've found more civilized Open races.

> > Finally, congratulations to Ian for winning Loudon.  I would have liked
to
> > race with you at Indy, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.

> > -Larry

> >Now, for some reason beyond my comprehension, JSimmons was riding my ***
at
> >Indy.  I didn't do a thing to him, anywhere, at any time, ye he felt it
was
> >necessary to come after me verbally.

> >And, for a grand finally, epickett ejected me during practice at Indy.
As
> >best all I can tell, all I did was say that JSimmons mouth was getting to
be
> >a bit much.

> >And, if I remember correctly, someone else told him this durning the
Loudon
> >race as well.

> >But, I guess I'm not one of the "Good Ol' Boys", and I don't rank the
> >privilage of speaking my mind.

> >Compared to some of the incidents I saw, and the arguments that were
going
> >on, I was a clean racer with a civil tongue.  Some of the language used
and
> >temperaments were far, far beyond anything _I_ could even think of doing.
> >Yet _I_ get ejected?

> There were a lot of arguments flying around, and about 95% of it directed
at
> you.  You also gave me grief for not passing you at NHIS during yellow.
You
> said pass, my spotter said stay back.  You'll forgive me it I listen to my
> spotter instead of YOU...
> Then at Indy, the arguments started again.  Rather then have that continue
> throughout the 2nd race, I chose to remove what I saw as the problem.
Chalk it
> up to you're being a 'rookie'.  Them I knew - you I didn't.  I'll have to
check
> the replay.  If I was mistaken, I apologize.  You weren't banned from the
> server, just kicked out of THAT race.

> Eldred
> --
> Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to
cure
> *** cancer.  If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a
> donation.  Thank you.

> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> I say this in a nice manner :)

> You _were_ wrong :)

> Ejections should be a last resort.  Wreckers.  People driving backwards.
> Sustained use of bad lanquage.

> No one even came close to qualifying for ejection status during those
races.
> No one.

> I was assumed guilty of something booted.

> Please think about that :)

> -Larry

> > >Now, for some reason beyond my comprehension, JSimmons was riding my
***
> at
> > >Indy.  I didn't do a thing to him, anywhere, at any time, ye he felt it
> was
> > >necessary to come after me verbally.

> > >And, for a grand finally, epickett ejected me during practice at Indy.
> As
> > >best all I can tell, all I did was say that JSimmons mouth was getting
to
> be
> > >a bit much.

> > >And, if I remember correctly, someone else told him this durning the
> Loudon
> > >race as well.

> > >But, I guess I'm not one of the "Good Ol' Boys", and I don't rank the
> > >privilage of speaking my mind.

> > >Compared to some of the incidents I saw, and the arguments that were
> going
> > >on, I was a clean racer with a civil tongue.  Some of the language used
> and
> > >temperaments were far, far beyond anything _I_ could even think of
doing.
> > >Yet _I_ get ejected?

> > There were a lot of arguments flying around, and about 95% of it
directed
> at
> > you.  You also gave me grief for not passing you at NHIS during yellow.
> You
> > said pass, my spotter said stay back.  You'll forgive me it I listen to
my
> > spotter instead of YOU...
> > Then at Indy, the arguments started again.  Rather then have that
continue
> > throughout the 2nd race, I chose to remove what I saw as the problem.
> Chalk it
> > up to you're being a 'rookie'.  Them I knew - you I didn't.  I'll have
to
> check
> > the replay.  If I was mistaken, I apologize.  You weren't banned from
the
> > server, just kicked out of THAT race.

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research
to
> cure
> > *** cancer.  If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make
a
> > donation.  Thank you.

> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>   Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant, at least IMO.

> -John

> > Eldred,

> > I say this in a nice manner :)

> > You _were_ wrong :)

> > Ejections should be a last resort.  Wreckers.  People driving backwards.
> > Sustained use of bad lanquage.

> > No one even came close to qualifying for ejection status during those
> races.
> > No one.

> > I was assumed guilty of something booted.

> > Please think about that :)

> > -Larry

> > > >Now, for some reason beyond my comprehension, JSimmons was riding my
> ***
> > at
> > > >Indy.  I didn't do a thing to him, anywhere, at any time, ye he felt
it
> > was
> > > >necessary to come after me verbally.

> > > >And, for a grand finally, epickett ejected me during practice at
Indy.
> > As
> > > >best all I can tell, all I did was say that JSimmons mouth was
getting
> to
> > be
> > > >a bit much.

> > > >And, if I remember correctly, someone else told him this durning the
> > Loudon
> > > >race as well.

> > > >But, I guess I'm not one of the "Good Ol' Boys", and I don't rank the
> > > >privilage of speaking my mind.

> > > >Compared to some of the incidents I saw, and the arguments that were
> > going
> > > >on, I was a clean racer with a civil tongue.  Some of the language
used
> > and
> > > >temperaments were far, far beyond anything _I_ could even think of
> doing.
> > > >Yet _I_ get ejected?

> > > There were a lot of arguments flying around, and about 95% of it
> directed
> > at
> > > you.  You also gave me grief for not passing you at NHIS during
yellow.
> > You
> > > said pass, my spotter said stay back.  You'll forgive me it I listen
to
> my
> > > spotter instead of YOU...
> > > Then at Indy, the arguments started again.  Rather then have that
> continue
> > > throughout the 2nd race, I chose to remove what I saw as the problem.
> > Chalk it
> > > up to you're being a 'rookie'.  Them I knew - you I didn't.  I'll have
> to
> > check
> > > the replay.  If I was mistaken, I apologize.  You weren't banned from
> the
> > > server, just kicked out of THAT race.

> > > Eldred
> > > --
> > > Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> > > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research
> to
> > cure
> > > *** cancer.  If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to
make
> a
> > > donation.  Thank you.

> > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> The other part?  Well, that's a debate best left for another millenium :)

> -Larry

> >   Fwiw Larry, it's his server.  He can do whatever he wants with it.  If
> he
> > wants to eject someone because he doesn't like their hair, that's his
> > prerogative.

> >   Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant, at least IMO.

> > -John

> > > Eldred,

> > > I say this in a nice manner :)

> > > You _were_ wrong :)

> > > Ejections should be a last resort.  Wreckers.  People driving
backwards.
> > > Sustained use of bad lanquage.

> > > No one even came close to qualifying for ejection status during those
> > races.
> > > No one.

> > > I was assumed guilty of something booted.

> > > Please think about that :)

> > > -Larry

> > > > >Now, for some reason beyond my comprehension, JSimmons was riding
my
> > ***
> > > at
> > > > >Indy.  I didn't do a thing to him, anywhere, at any time, ye he
felt
> it
> > > was
> > > > >necessary to come after me verbally.

> > > > >And, for a grand finally, epickett ejected me during practice at
> Indy.
> > > As
> > > > >best all I can tell, all I did was say that JSimmons mouth was
> getting
> > to
> > > be
> > > > >a bit much.

> > > > >And, if I remember correctly, someone else told him this durning
the
> > > Loudon
> > > > >race as well.

> > > > >But, I guess I'm not one of the "Good Ol' Boys", and I don't rank
the
> > > > >privilage of speaking my mind.

> > > > >Compared to some of the incidents I saw, and the arguments that
were
> > > going
> > > > >on, I was a clean racer with a civil tongue.  Some of the language
> used
> > > and
> > > > >temperaments were far, far beyond anything _I_ could even think of
> > doing.
> > > > >Yet _I_ get ejected?

> > > > There were a lot of arguments flying around, and about 95% of it
> > directed
> > > at
> > > > you.  You also gave me grief for not passing you at NHIS during
> yellow.
> > > You
> > > > said pass, my spotter said stay back.  You'll forgive me it I listen
> to
> > my
> > > > spotter instead of YOU...
> > > > Then at Indy, the arguments started again.  Rather then have that
> > continue
> > > > throughout the 2nd race, I chose to remove what I saw as the
problem.
> > > Chalk it
> > > > up to you're being a 'rookie'.  Them I knew - you I didn't.  I'll
have
> > to
> > > check
> > > > the replay.  If I was mistaken, I apologize.  You weren't banned
from
> > the
> > > > server, just kicked out of THAT race.

> > > > Eldred
> > > > --
> > > > Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> > > > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for
research
> > to
> > > cure
> > > > *** cancer.  If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to
> make
> > a
> > > > donation.  Thank you.

> > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> -John

> > And a fine server it was :)

> > The other part?  Well, that's a debate best left for another millenium
:)

> > -Larry

> > >   Fwiw Larry, it's his server.  He can do whatever he wants with it.
If
> > he
> > > wants to eject someone because he doesn't like their hair, that's his
> > > prerogative.

> > >   Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant, at least IMO.

> > > -John

> > > > Eldred,

> > > > I say this in a nice manner :)

> > > > You _were_ wrong :)

> > > > Ejections should be a last resort.  Wreckers.  People driving
> backwards.
> > > > Sustained use of bad lanquage.

> > > > No one even came close to qualifying for ejection status during
those
> > > races.
> > > > No one.

> > > > I was assumed guilty of something booted.

> > > > Please think about that :)

> > > > -Larry

> > > > > >Now, for some reason beyond my comprehension, JSimmons was riding
> my
> > > ***
> > > > at
> > > > > >Indy.  I didn't do a thing to him, anywhere, at any time, ye he
> felt
> > it
> > > > was
> > > > > >necessary to come after me verbally.

> > > > > >And, for a grand finally, epickett ejected me during practice at
> > Indy.
> > > > As
> > > > > >best all I can tell, all I did was say that JSimmons mouth was
> > getting
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > >a bit much.

> > > > > >And, if I remember correctly, someone else told him this durning
> the
> > > > Loudon
> > > > > >race as well.

> > > > > >But, I guess I'm not one of the "Good Ol' Boys", and I don't rank
> the
> > > > > >privilage of speaking my mind.

> > > > > >Compared to some of the incidents I saw, and the arguments that
> were
> > > > going
> > > > > >on, I was a clean racer with a civil tongue.  Some of the
language
> > used
> > > > and
> > > > > >temperaments were far, far beyond anything _I_ could even think
of
> > > doing.
> > > > > >Yet _I_ get ejected?

> > > > > There were a lot of arguments flying around, and about 95% of it
> > > directed
> > > > at
> > > > > you.  You also gave me grief for not passing you at NHIS during
> > yellow.
> > > > You
> > > > > said pass, my spotter said stay back.  You'll forgive me it I
listen
> > to
> > > my
> > > > > spotter instead of YOU...
> > > > > Then at Indy, the arguments started again.  Rather then have that
> > > continue
> > > > > throughout the 2nd race, I chose to remove what I saw as the
> problem.
> > > > Chalk it
> > > > > up to you're being a 'rookie'.  Them I knew - you I didn't.  I'll
> have
> > > to
> > > > check
> > > > > the replay.  If I was mistaken, I apologize.  You weren't banned
> from
> > > the
> > > > > server, just kicked out of THAT race.

> > > > > Eldred
> > > > > --
> > > > > Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> > > > > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for
> research
> > > to
> > > > cure
> > > > > *** cancer.  If you can, please go to my homepage and see how
to
> > make
> > > a
> > > > > donation.  Thank you.

> > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.