rec.autos.simulators

by **<rui.d..** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:55:42

Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain
price and decided to go for it (why the hell not? I said). Installed it,
upgraded it with the FF patch and guess what?
I'm sticking to this unbelievable sim for the next
I-don't-know-how-many-years!
I had never tried such a realistic and *** simulation, deprived from
useless arcadish bells & whistles.

The physics feel incredible (the only one that comes close to this is GP3
and MGPRS2 just feels like driving on jelly), the engine roar is scary to
say the least (especially the Ferrari's V12) and braking those ballerinas
down Nurburgring hills straights onto those hairpins pops sweat out of your
face.

everything on) using the Rendition driver on my modest system: Cel466,
V2200/Voodoo1. It's amazing the efficiency you get when graphic routines are
called directly from the hardware.

Strangely, the frame rate never goes above 15 fps using the 3Dfx driver and
sometimes the game even seems to freeze instantly, like it was running on
hickhops whatever resolution I choose. It's the first time I see this. So
far my good-old Voodoo had never let me down; even being an pre-historical
card, its Glide mode never ceased to surprise me...and now it did it for a
bad reason.
Does anyone have an explanation for this? Or is it normal?...

Sorry for the dated opinion, but somehow I felt I had to post my enthusiasm.

Rui
(favorite sims: GP500, Total Air War, GP3, now also GPL)

by **Rick Boy** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:31:33

Welcome to the club!

Here's some things to get you started:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~gplhotlaps/

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

And this place has a bunch o' links: http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Good Luck!

Rick

> Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain
> price and decided to go for it (why the hell not? I said). Installed it,
> upgraded it with the FF patch and guess what?
> I'm sticking to this unbelievable sim for the next
> I-don't-know-how-many-years!
> I had never tried such a realistic and *** simulation, deprived from
> useless arcadish bells & whistles.

> The physics feel incredible (the only one that comes close to this is GP3
> and MGPRS2 just feels like driving on jelly), the engine roar is scary to
> say the least (especially the Ferrari's V12) and braking those ballerinas
> down Nurburgring hills straights onto those hairpins pops sweat out of
your
> face.

> everything on) using the Rendition driver on my modest system: Cel466,
> V2200/Voodoo1. It's amazing the efficiency you get when graphic routines
are
> called directly from the hardware.

> Strangely, the frame rate never goes above 15 fps using the 3Dfx driver
and
> sometimes the game even seems to freeze instantly, like it was running on
> hickhops whatever resolution I choose. It's the first time I see this. So
> far my good-old Voodoo had never let me down; even being an pre-historical
> card, its Glide mode never ceased to surprise me...and now it did it for a
> bad reason.
> Does anyone have an explanation for this? Or is it normal?...

> Sorry for the dated opinion, but somehow I felt I had to post my
enthusiasm.

> Rui
> (favorite sims: GP500, Total Air War, GP3, now also GPL)

by **Sideshow Bo** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:52:41

: Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain
: price and decided to go for it (why the hell not? I said). Installed it,
: upgraded it with the FF patch and guess what?

GPL was the first FF game I played (bought a LWFF just for this game).
After GPL you are spoiled any other game's FF are just
arcade/Playstation-type effects.

Why every game doesn't model the "car feel" to the extent that GPL does I
don't know...

Dale.

by **Jason Mond** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:51:54

Hello,

First off, I would strongly recommend turning *something* off :) Even
with my P3/550, V5-5500 I have spetacular highlights off, detail level
from 0-10% (left side of bar) and only showing cars in the mirrors. If
you get the George Smiley glide patch, you can make the mirrors refresh
every 2 frames which helps alot. Your goal should be 36fps as that is
the limit set by GPL.

I'm still racing GPL after 2+ years :) It's just darn good fun!

Jason.

> Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain
[snip]

> everything on) using the Rendition driver on my modest system: Cel466,
> V2200/Voodoo1. It's amazing the efficiency you get when graphic routines are
> called directly from the hardware.

> Strangely, the frame rate never goes above 15 fps using the 3Dfx driver and
> sometimes the game even seems to freeze instantly, like it was running on
> hickhops whatever resolution I choose. It's the first time I see this. So
> far my good-old Voodoo had never let me down; even being an pre-historical
> card, its Glide mode never ceased to surprise me...and now it did it for a
> bad reason.
> Does anyone have an explanation for this? Or is it normal?...

> Sorry for the dated opinion, but somehow I felt I had to post my enthusiasm.

> Rui
> (favorite sims: GP500, Total Air War, GP3, now also GPL)

--
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http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL, Fun Run Sims)
http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting.
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by **Leo Grec** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 07:18:32

I bought my LWFF just for GPL too!! I guess I'm not the only one who's
computer hardware purchases are dictated primarily by papyrus :-)

> : Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain
> : price and decided to go for it (why the hell not? I said). Installed it,
> : upgraded it with the FF patch and guess what?

> GPL was the first FF game I played (bought a LWFF just for this game).
> After GPL you are spoiled any other game's FF are just
> arcade/Playstation-type effects.

> Why every game doesn't model the "car feel" to the extent that GPL does I
> don't know...

> Dale.

by **Phil Le** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 07:22:22

<SNIP>

Welcome to the wonderful world of GPL. You should check out a small article
I wrote here http://www.slottweak.com/gplintro.htm . It should get you
started. You should also check out the excellent GPL forum at
http://www.legendscentral.com . There have been nearly 10000 posts there in
the last 2 months.

Cheers

Phil
--
http://www.legendscentral.com
http://www.geocities.com/f2_festival

GPL Handicaps: F1 -3.09 secs, F2 +115.11 secs

by **Gaul** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 07:50:55

Yep, bought my LWFF for gpl too, and I'm holding onto the V5 vid card for
the same reason.

by **Sideshow Bo** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:13:07

:
: Why every game doesn't model the "car feel" to the extent that GPL does I
: don't know...
:

Thinking about my statement here... can anyone point me to a sim other than
GPL with the level of simulated "car feel" that GPL has?

I want a sim where I can feel the car moving around in corners, etc.

Dale.

by **Tex** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:12:00

Yeah, GPL is definitely a "lifer." I don't think this one will EVER get old
or boring.

by **Phillip Arche** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:21:48

> :
> : Why every game doesn't model the "car feel" to the extent that GPL does
I
> : don't know...
> :

> Thinking about my statement here... can anyone point me to a sim other
than
> GPL with the level of simulated "car feel" that GPL has?

> I want a sim where I can feel the car moving around in corners, etc.

> Dale.

Although the purists will scoff, I find the FF in NFS5 to be quite good. You
can certainly feel the front go light when the understeer sets in, and the
wheel "firms-up" again when you come off the power and the back starts to
come around.
I downloaded a savegame from somewhere that gives access to all the cars and
tracks in single player mode and I'm having a great time in my 1978 935
"Moby***"
Phillip...

by **<rui.d..** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:25:21

Yep, but what puzzles me is that the frame rate on the Rendition is almost
twice the figure I get on the Voodoo1 under the very same circumstances...
maybe the memory has something to do with it: the Voodoo has 4 Mb and the
Rendition has 8 Mb...

Rui

by **Olav K. Malm** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:28:52

> > First off, I would strongly recommend turning *something* off :) Even
> > with my P3/550, V5-5500 I have spetacular highlights off, detail level
> > from 0-10% (left side of bar) and only showing cars in the mirrors. If
> > you get the George Smiley glide patch, you can make the mirrors refresh
> > every 2 frames which helps alot. Your goal should be 36fps as that is
> > the limit set by GPL.

> Yep, but what puzzles me is that the frame rate on the Rendition is almost
> twice the figure I get on the Voodoo1 under the very same circumstances...
> maybe the memory has something to do with it: the Voodoo has 4 Mb and the
> Rendition has 8 Mb...

GPL was custom made for the rendition cards, and the second generation
redition card is also head and shoulders above the Voodoo1. Get a
Voodoo3 which should be very cheap these days and get a solid 36
fps. :) The CPU is certainly up for it.

--
Olav K. Malmin
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by **Rui Dia** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:06:14

Well...I'd risk GP3 (haven't tried F1RC though...) if you can live with the
chunky graphics; it has the extra benefit that it can be driven via the
keyboard like no other sim, included (heresy!) GPL. Of course the whole
thing turns upside down when you plug a FF wheel in...

Rui

by **Steve Garrot** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:34:49

Do you notice 'hickups' or pauses in NFS5 with FF on? If I have FF on
it causes the computer to pause for ever-so-short amounts of time when
a big impact is passed to the FF. I now run NFS5 with FF off. I do not
think I am asking too much of my P3-850, with GeForce2 32MB running at
1024*768 32 bit colour, or am I?

SLG

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)

by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:13:40

>Do you notice 'hickups' or pauses in NFS5 with FF on? If I have FF on
>it causes the computer to pause for ever-so-short amounts of time when
>a big impact is passed to the FF. I now run NFS5 with FF off. I do not
>think I am asking too much of my P3-850, with GeForce2 32MB running at
>1024*768 32 bit colour, or am I?

>SLG

What wheel do you have? No hickups with my LWFF, but I read the MSFF
is way more heavy on the cpu..

Andre

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