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The problem I am having is that when I spin out or have a
minor crash, my steering wheel does not center. It can be
off by as many as 30 degrees. Obviously this is totally
uncool, and GPL is the only game I have this problem
on.

As for the FF effects in general, I am somewhat disappointed.
I really cannot feel the wheel lighten up as the front lose grip.
I feel the weight of the car, and when I shift sometimes but
nowhere near what I have been reading here. Also the
effects of the track/curbing is very much reduced from
what I would call normal. Maybe most people are just
new at FF and are going gaga over FF in GPL? I don't
know.

But 36fps is cool, graphics are cool, the AI seems cool.
I would be more than satisfied if the steering center did
not move around. I have a week to figure it out before I
return the game I guess :-(

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The reason it doesn't centre is that after a crash or spin your wheels are
problably not pointing right forward. As long as you're not moving there are no
forces on the tires that would cause them to straighten up.

Try this: Stop the car, in the pits, on the grass, anywhere. Turn the wheel
to any angle you want and drop it. It stays at that angle, well my MS FF do,
can't tell what the other wheels do. Try to do the same with a road car. No
centering effects because there is no force on the wheel thats will center
them. Start to move the car without holding at the wheel. It will center itself
because of the toe-in.

It's called realism.

A minor fault is that it is harder to turn the wheel at speed that it is at
standstill. I have a real problem to make this sound realistic.

Again, what wheel are you using ? My MS FF wheel is giving me amazing feedback.
It really starts to lighten up when my front tires lose grip, and on very
banked corners the car almost drives itself. I have also because of the
new feedback been able to save the most crazy situations which i would never
ever manage without FF.

And we are going gaga over FF in GPL because it's the best FF implementation
yet. Toca2 and Viper has it's moments, but have to play second fiddle to GPL.
(I have only tried the demo version of Viper)

Try multiplayer on VROC, you just don't want to go to bed, you are lost.

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But as soon as you start running again the wheel should center.

Realism will recenter the wheel in the proper place. If it is turned
at 30 degrees when you are stopped the from tires will be turned.
When you start going they will recenter. As I said F1RS and SCGT
don't have this "feature".

feedback.

A Logitech FF. I am starting to think it's drivers are not as good as
the MS wheel.

Well I haven't seen it to be better yet. Sorry.

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But again, it's personal preference and really cannot be argued about.

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Remco

Have you tried GPL with the FF turned off?  I suppose it could be some
sort of artifact in the Logitech setup.  Also, if you are using
the "realistic" damage model, you can***up your suspension with a
spin or minor shunt, and wind up with the car pulling badly to one side
or the other.  Turn on the***pit driver's arms if they are off, and
see if they also are held off center to drive a straight line.  That
will tell you.

There have been several people comment about poor FF with GPL in this
forum.  In every case I have seen, some tweaking of core.ini FF values
solves the whole thing, and people usually find the GPL FF pretty good
after those tweaks.  Look around ras for some of those FF settings.

Spend the week wisely !!!  Don't give up too soon, Greg.

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Weel to me these effects feel ok... maybe except for the curbs
which i think are a little too weak - but maybe those effects
are not as strocg as i would expect them to be because the curbs
are lower ( or smoother ) than they appear to me.
BTW: I'm using a Logitech FF JOYSTICK - [ what can i say i love
fligth sims too ;-) ]

Well you still could disable FF in GPL and use your wheel as
a non-FF one.

HTH

Martin

Well i don't know whether it is realistic or not (i've never driven a '67 GP car)
but you _can_ explain it to some extend.
At high speeds the centering forces (at least the gyroscopic effect) become
stronger and make the wheel harder to turn.

Regards

Martin

That's also strange, I can feel it clearly - and my Logitech isn't
known for having the strongest forces.

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What control input type are you using in GPL, DirectX or Generic? You
should use DirectX.

Maybe try turning the strength of the forces up in the CORE.INI file.
There is no doubt the GPL has the best FF effects yet. Viper is pretty
good, but not in the same class.

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/Magnus

re the logitech wheel: make sure you download the 3.25 drivers. then go into
the 'properties' menu of the controller in the control panel. turn overall
effects up to about 130%. maybe turn up the damping up as well (i have mine
at about 120%). make sure the auto centering box is unchecked.

you can also go into the core.ini file and turn up some of the effects. but
make sure you do the overall effects thing via the control panel- it makes a
huge difference.

let us know if it works. when it does, the FF is quite good (definately
better than viper IMO).

mark

ok, i just experienced something like this as well with my logitech wheel,
and found out that it goes away completely once you start moving again. but
it's disconcerting when you're just sitting there, and while you're trying
to get going again. weird. but it doesn't seem to happen all of the time....

anyway, try the settings people have been suggesting and see what happens.
oh, yeah- and turn the forces up to 150%, not 130 like i said earlier...

This happens on my Logitech wheel to, and I thinks it perfectly normal.

But I think there is a bug in GPL, because the driver arms is still centerd
when when the FF steering wheel is of center.

I dont know if you are old enough, but next time when you are drivning a
car think of this. Imagine that you have a minor chrash and hit one of your
front wheels rather hard, so that you will get a really bad toe-in. After
that you continoue to drive again, and what do you think have happen to your
wheel? I can bet 100$ that it doesnt center any longer....

I have done this myself lots of times in the rally-forests, so I know what
happens to the wheel when when you damage your front suspension.

/M Lindqvist

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