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Nascar Problem

Mark Ligh

Nascar Problem

by Mark Ligh » Fri, 02 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I recently bought a Packard Bell Pentium 150 with 24 meg of RAM. I can only run
Nascar in SVGA with only car detail and lines and skids. Anything more, my frame rate
drops to about 5fps. I can only run 6 ahead, 3 back, or it will go down even more.
What the hell is my problem? Do I need a new graphics card or something? Please help!
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Mike Carrother

Nascar Problem

by Mike Carrother » Fri, 02 Aug 1996 04:00:00


more, my frame rate
something? Please help!

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I would think your video card is a good place to start looking. PB is
known for using the cheapest components, not the best or fastest. You
don't say what video you have so a comment is hard to give. But these
games are very video dependent, and the faster the card, the better the
play.

Mike

Michael E. Carv

Nascar Problem

by Michael E. Carv » Fri, 02 Aug 1996 04:00:00

: I recently bought a Packard Bell Pentium 150 with 24 meg of RAM. I can only run
: Nascar in SVGA with only car detail and lines and skids. Anything more, my frame rate
: drops to about 5fps. I can only run 6 ahead, 3 back, or it will go down even more.
: What the hell is my problem? Do I need a new graphics card or something? Please help!

It sounds like something is severly wrong with your system.  I have a
p5-90 and can run the detail you listed around 16-18 fps.  I can add a
few things and it will drop a little more.  I would check to see if your
motherboard has the right jumpers set for the CPU.  Also check the CMOS
setting and make sure that the cache is enabled and that the system
isn't in a "non-turbo" mode.

BTW:  I also have an ATI Mach64 video card which isn't considered to be
a performer in DOS.
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JAMES DUNPH

Nascar Problem

by JAMES DUNPH » Fri, 02 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I don't know but probably. I am running P90 24meg ram, Diamond Stealth 3240
2meg Vram and I have ALL on except road details on. You firure it out. Good
luck.

Francois Morissett

Nascar Problem

by Francois Morissett » Sat, 03 Aug 1996 04:00:00




> : I recently bought a Packard Bell Pentium 150 with 24 meg of RAM. I can
only run
> : Nascar in SVGA with only car detail and lines and skids. Anything more,
my frame rate
> : drops to about 5fps. I can only run 6 ahead, 3 back, or it will go down
even more.
> : What the hell is my problem? Do I need a new graphics card or

something? Please help!

> It sounds like something is severly wrong with your system.  I have a
> p5-90 and can run the detail you listed around 16-18 fps.  I can add a
> few things and it will drop a little more.  I would check to see if your
> motherboard has the right jumpers set for the CPU.  Also check the CMOS
> setting and make sure that the cache is enabled and that the system
> isn't in a "non-turbo" mode.

> BTW:  I also have an ATI Mach64 video card which isn't considered to be
> a performer in DOS.
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About the cache...that could be the problem. My friend has a Packard Bell
P100 and it doesn't have any cache!?!  I guess they want to save on cost.

Frank Morissette

Michael Peters

Nascar Problem

by Michael Peters » Sat, 03 Aug 1996 04:00:00


something? Please help!

Depends, what video card are you using?  Are you sure PB has the
motherboard setup right?
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Chris Zimbab

Nascar Problem

by Chris Zimbab » Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Please help!

Packard Bells are shitty computers.  If you knew anything about computers, you
would have bought something else.  Anything else...

Chris

Ron R.

Nascar Problem

by Ron R. » Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:00:00



>>I recently bought a Packard Bell Pentium 150 with 24 meg of RAM. I can only
>run
>>Nascar in SVGA with only car detail and lines and skids. Anything more, my
>frame rate
>>drops to about 5fps. I can only run 6 ahead, 3 back, or it will go down even
>more.
>>What the hell is my problem? Do I need a new graphics card or something?
>Please help!
>Packard Bells are shitty computers.  If you knew anything about computers, you
>would have bought something else.  Anything else...
>Chris


For once I have to aggree with you there Chris :)
The company I work for bought 1 *after* seeing what an employee went
through with them spending over a *year* to get it working right for
more than 1 month at a time. The one the company bought died in 18
months so since they bought it with a one year warranty they promptly
went out and bought *3* more of them.....
I tried to tell them not to buy those fraggin Hackered Hells but
Nooooo they wouldn;t listen. Now we have 1 left running and it's on
it's last legs.
A lousy week of 90 Deg. + weather killed 2 of them (even with the
cases open and high cfm fans blowing right into them in an
airconditioned room.
Ugh, I for one wouldn't own one of those if it was given to me new in
the box, I'd keep my 486\66 dx2-s over their pentiums anyday.

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Mark Fiel

Nascar Problem

by Mark Fiel » Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I don't think Packard Bells are quote "shitty,"  Packard Bells are pretty good.
It seems that practically no Pentium owner can run SVGA well unless they have:

1.  32 MB RAM
2.  1 GB HD SPACE
3.  3D Blaster Accelerator Card

I could be wrong.

Mark Fields

Jonathan Robinso

Nascar Problem

by Jonathan Robinso » Mon, 05 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> >Packard Bells are shitty computers.  If you knew anything about computers, you
> >would have bought something else.  Anything else...

> I don't think Packard Bells are quote "shitty,"  Packard Bells are pretty good.
> It seems that practically no Pentium owner can run SVGA well unless they have:

> 1.  32 MB RAM
> 2.  1 GB HD SPACE
> 3.  3D Blaster Accelerator Card

> I could be wrong.

> Mark Fields

Unfortunately, you are probably wrong.  Packard Bells are poorly
constructed retail outlet computers that are built to attract impulse
buyers.

First, the ram thing.  I don't think that ram makes a whole heck of a
difference unless you are running GP2 under Win95 (God help you).  The
game uses a certain amount of ram to hold game data that is allocated at
the beginning of a run. I believe that extra ram is used to hold hot lap
data and the such.  This leads to number two.  1GB hard drive space has
nothing to do with it.  The game requires about 50Mb of space and will
only use about 10Mb extra in swap due to the hot lap data stuff.  This
can also be turned off if you don't have the space.  You couldn't use
1GB in this game if you copied the CD to your hard drive!

Third, what the heck is a 3D blaster accelerator thingee?  You may be
referring to the video cards by Creative.  If they are 3D accelerators
then they won't matter since GP2 doesn't use acceleration.  You just
need a good NAME BRAND video card (not some OEM junk).

What you need for GP2 is a good high-quality computer.  This usually
implies a decent cache, good chipset, and high-speed memory.  These
items make more difference in the upper-pentium range then pure
processor speed.

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Jonathan Robinso

Nascar Problem

by Jonathan Robinso » Mon, 05 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> > >Packard Bells are shitty computers.  If you knew anything about computers, you
> > >would have bought something else.  Anything else...

> > I don't think Packard Bells are quote "shitty,"  Packard Bells are pretty good.
> Blah Blah <snip>

Damn It! Sorry, didn't read the subject.  Well, everything that I said
in the previous message applies for Nascar as well as GP2.  Probably
even more in Nascar since I am certain the Nascar only uses extra ram to
extend the replay length.

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David Marti

Nascar Problem

by David Marti » Tue, 06 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> I recently bought a Packard Bell Pentium 150 with 24 meg of RAM. I can only run
> Nascar in SVGA with only car detail and lines and skids. Anything more, my frame rate
> drops to about 5fps. I can only run 6 ahead, 3 back, or it will go down even more.
> What the hell is my problem? Do I need a new graphics card or something? Please help!
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I don't know a solution, but I'll tell you what I have.

P133 in a Motherboard with 512KB Pipe Burst Cache.
$49 PCI video card

I get 30 fps

Full field
FM sound
SVGA mode
Car textures on
All objects on but not textured
Horizon off

I can turn the horizon on AUTO and it will do 30 fps only when the field
thins out.  Until then, the horizon blinks.

My suspicion is that the Motherboard that Packard Bell uses is not good
for simulations.  Your P150 processor is probably wasted in it.  If
anyone out there is listening and is interested in purchasing a system
to run NASCAR on, take my advice and seriously look at the Motherboard
in the system that your are considering.  You can piecemeal a system
together that will run NASCAR very well for about $1600.  I personally
don't think any system under $1200 is going to be good enough to run
NASCAR, at least not NCR1.  When NCR2 comes out, these slow Pentiums
will be OK.

David Martin

Mike Manthe

Nascar Problem

by Mike Manthe » Tue, 06 Aug 1996 04:00:00

> About the cache...that could be the problem. My friend has a Packard Bell
> P100 and it doesn't have any cache!?!  I guess they want to save on cost.

> Frank Morissette


I can run Nascar on a 486 with no cache and get much better frame rate
than that.  I would look elsewhere.   Cache is important, but the
absence of it shouldn't drop it that much.
Mike
Yann

Nascar Problem

by Yann » Wed, 07 Aug 1996 04:00:00

You think Nascar Racing 2 is going to run faster/better than Nascar 1?  Aren't
they making the graphics better?  You don't think it's going to be like GP2?

Chris

David Marti

Nascar Problem

by David Marti » Wed, 07 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> >I personally
> >don't think any system under $1200 is going to be good enough to run
> >NASCAR, at least not NCR1.  When NCR2 comes out, these slow Pentiums
> >will be OK.

> >David Martin

> You think Nascar Racing 2 is going to run faster/better than Nascar 1?  Aren't
> they making the graphics better?  You don't think it's going to be like GP2?

> Chris


NCR2 will have the same graphics engine as ICR2 which does run much
better than NCR1.  I have ICR2 and I was very impressed.  Also, NCR2
will have code specifically written to support Pentium technology and 3D
graphics cards.  I get adaquate frame rates now, I'm expecting to be
very very pleased with NCR2.  I've been told that the moderate Pentiums
like the P90s will be able to run NCR2 with all textures on at 40fps.
I'm sure they are going to increase the amount of graphics available,
but hopefully they will retain the ability to turn them off.  Their main
concentration with NCR2 is increased graphics performance, increased
realism in handling, and NRL.  I don't think they will jeopardize the
performance of the sim by piling on unnecessary graphics.

David Martin


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