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> Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At
> North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so he got a
> 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turned green,
> spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits.

> I've also seen this happen 2 different times since the 1.3 patch.. And
> I've had a similar bug happen to me, after the new patch.. I got a bogus
> black flag (separate bug rant) but when I came in to serve the penalty,
> the crew does a regular pit stop and didn't even clear the penalty.. I
> sure hope Pappy isn't going to ignore these new bugs! It's a race buster
> for sure and can, will ruin the fun of the game if not corrected!! I
> know I've seen that there won't be any more patches or add on's or what
> ever, but come on now, don't put out a buggy patch and then call it
> quits!!

> > Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At
> > North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so he
got a
> > 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turned
green,
> > spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits.

> I feel that there is certainly a new black flag bug at Las Vegas that was
> introduced with the latest patch.  Here's the results file from our recent
> league race there.....

> http://www.wsrlracing.com/fri_stat/10%2026%20vegas.html

> My racers typically have a total of 3-5 penalties per race.  At that Las
> Vegas race, there were over 50 black flags between 17 racers.

> -Paul E
> -League & Server Admin
> Western States Racing League
> www.wsrlracing.com

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> >   Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any.  Every time
> I've
> > heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently.  People
> > getting unsafe entry/exit penalities, i.e. think it's a
bug.........until
> > they see they drove over the yellow line, on grass, etc.

> >   I.e., in this case, how many laps went by before you served the
penalty?
> > If you don't serve it within a few laps, you're disqualified from the
> race.
> > Probably not the case here, but just to be sure.

> > -John

>   Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any.  Every time I've
> heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently.

> In my case, I stopped the first lap, after going back to green, and only
> got service. Then again on the next lap to finally clear the BF. That's
> a bug that was, is annoying, but livable.. The other instances where
> cars are pitting and having to retire because their car is stuck in the
> pits is unacceptable. And in the race where I witnessed it, (Race
> replay) there wasn't any blown left side tires and being too close to
> the pit wall, or anything like that. One guy waited at least a half
> hour.. We had to beg him to retire, so he would shut up about it ;-)

> >   Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any.  Every time
I've
> > heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently.

> Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At
> North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so he got a
> 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turned green,
> spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits. Regardless of gear,
> engine revved and he could not move. He had to retire. 2)At Phoenix: Leader
> comes in under yellow for tires and gas. At the end of a normal 14.9 second
> stop, same deal. Engine revving and regardles of gear, he could not move. He
> had to retire. 3)Last night at Bristol: One driver had a good pitstop early
> on, and there after he could not get tires. He'd come in, get gas, and they
> would tell him to "Go Go Go" with no tire changing going on at all. This
> driver was BF's early inrace. came in under green and they pitted him, not a
> stop and go. There after he got no tires in 4 tries.

> This has happened in the past 7 days, to 3 different drivers on 2 different
> servers. Any ideas?

> (Would have postd this at Papy, but their board is apparently down for
> maintenance...)

> No ideas, other than that I share your suspicion that it is a bug...

> I was racing at NC last week and got in a wreck.  My car was really
> beat up and so I knew I was going to be in the pits a long time
> anyway, and since the pits were empty at the time, I just sped to my
> stall.  I got the 15 second penalty, and then was given the go ahead.
> Then, back on the speedway, I kept getting a "you're going to have to
> come in to serve this black flag" message.  So I went in and served
> it, and after that everything was OK.

> Didn't go back and watch the replay, but I don't remember doing
> anything that could have remotely caused another black flag besides
> the one for speeding, and certainly didn't receive any messages from
> my spotter about one.

> Hope they fix it soon if the bug is as pervasive as it seems.

> Gerald

>   What did it say in the results, as the reason for his leaving?

> -John

> I believe it listed him as "Retired" John, but I'm not positive. His car
> was still running and responding to the throttle input. And the gear
> selector would show the gears switching. It wasn't like a normal game
> "freeze" where you get booted because of your connection or something..
> He said he could see us going by, and his game sounds were all still
> fine. His chat was still working, and we were having him call for a tow
> truck, and everything we could think of, but his car was just stuck in
> the pits..
> Both incidents happened at Phoenix, so I'm not sure if it's a global bug
> or not.. Mick

> >   What did it say in the results, as the reason for his leaving?

> > -John

>  Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any.  Every time I've
>heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently.  People
>getting unsafe entry/exit penalities, i.e. think it's a bug.........until
>they see they drove over the yellow line, on grass, etc.

> When you sped going into the pits, did you pass anyone on the track under
> yellow before/during entering the pits, including on the apron going into
> the pits, etc.?
>   That would be a black flag.

> -John

> > No ideas, other than that I share your suspicion that it is a bug...

> > I was racing at NC last week and got in a wreck.  My car was really
> > beat up and so I knew I was going to be in the pits a long time
> > anyway, and since the pits were empty at the time, I just sped to my
> > stall.  I got the 15 second penalty, and then was given the go ahead.
> > Then, back on the speedway, I kept getting a "you're going to have to
> > come in to serve this black flag" message.  So I went in and served
> > it, and after that everything was OK.

> > Didn't go back and watch the replay, but I don't remember doing
> > anything that could have remotely caused another black flag besides
> > the one for speeding, and certainly didn't receive any messages from
> > my spotter about one.

> > Hope they fix it soon if the bug is as pervasive as it seems.

> > Gerald

> > > Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At
> > > North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so he
>  got a
> > > 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turned
>  green,
> > > spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits. Regardless of
>  gear,
> > > engine revved and he could not move. He had to retire. 2)At Phoenix:
>  Leader
> > > comes in under yellow for tires and gas. At the end of a normal 14.9
>  second
> > > stop, same deal. Engine revving and regardles of gear, he could not
>  move. He
> > > had to retire. 3)Last night at Bristol: One driver had a good pitstop
>  early
> > > on, and there after he could not get tires. He'd come in, get gas, and
>  they
> > > would tell him to "Go Go Go" with no tire changing going on at all. This
> > > driver was BF's early inrace. came in under green and they pitted him,
>  not a
> > > stop and go. There after he got no tires in 4 tries.

> > > This has happened in the past 7 days, to 3 different drivers on 2
>  different
> > > servers. Any ideas?

> > > (Would have postd this at Papy, but their board is apparently down for
> > > maintenance...)

> >  Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any.  Every time
I've
> >heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently.  People
> >getting unsafe entry/exit penalities, i.e. think it's a bug.........until
> >they see they drove over the yellow line, on grass, etc.

> I hate the fact that you can't use 'auto-brake' anymore to be safe from
> speeding on pit lane.  The WC cars have a rev-limiter, don't they???  Why
don't
> we?

> Eldred
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