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by **Larr** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:00:21

Folks, if you haven't downloaded Tims Rockingham setup, do it now!

This thing is so superior to the FAST setup that the two simply cannot be
compared.

It is not only fast but, more importantly, it is stable and you can actually
control the car!

May I humbly make a suggestion. More than a few people, including myself,
have fears about the current FAST setup and tomorrows race.

Eldred - How about you put Tims setup on the server and assign as the fixed
setup for the race?

And if the FAST setups continue to be a problem for us, and they may well be
at other tracks, maybe we should have a RASCAR tuned setup created by
someone who knows what they are doing posted by, say, Wednesday before the
weekend race.

The idea of using open setups is also interesting. I like my idea that
under the spirit of learning and sharing amongst Rascaronians, the race
winners setup must be posted for all other RASCAR members to examine/use.

Larry

by **Tim** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:54:37

I'm glad you guys like it. I'll be doing a setup for each track this season. My goal is to get them out by Thursday noon each
week. I will continue to post them on the RASCAR forum.

A while back I tried to get a hold of the setups used at the lans, this was a few years back. They were very good and stable, just
what fixed setup racing should be. But it seemed they kinda felt like setups were like recipes; meaning 'I created it, so you can't
have it'.

Anyway, I always wanted to do a set that could be an alternative for fixed setup racing, if for no other reason than to just give
eveyone more choices. I was never really into fixed racing, and don't have the time I used to have to work on really good open
setups. So, with Papyrus's last sim out of the bag, I thought this would be time well spent, especially since fixed setup racing is
so much more popular than it used to be, plus with the addons new to N2003.

It is also a challenge for me to create something most others can drive. That Rockingham setup is very tight for me. Most of my
setups always started with, like a zero toe-in, or less, and very hard to drive for most. So it takes some time for me to find
something most everyone can use. At best if you can get something that you can modify to your liking, then I'm happy with that.

Also, Rockingham has been one of my best tracks since I can remember. Now the pressure is on (Las Vegas) lol

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

> Folks, if you haven't downloaded Tims Rockingham setup, do it now!

> This thing is so superior to the FAST setup that the two simply cannot be
> compared.

> It is not only fast but, more importantly, it is stable and you can actually
> control the car!

> May I humbly make a suggestion. More than a few people, including myself,
> have fears about the current FAST setup and tomorrows race.

> Eldred - How about you put Tims setup on the server and assign as the fixed
> setup for the race?

> And if the FAST setups continue to be a problem for us, and they may well be
> at other tracks, maybe we should have a RASCAR tuned setup created by
> someone who knows what they are doing posted by, say, Wednesday before the
> weekend race.

> The idea of using open setups is also interesting. I like my idea that
> under the spirit of learning and sharing amongst Rascaronians, the race
> winners setup must be posted for all other RASCAR members to examine/use.

> Larry

by **Eldre** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:55:45

>May I humbly make a suggestion. More than a few people, including myself,
>have fears about the current FAST setup and tomorrows race.

>Eldred - How about you put Tims setup on the server and assign as the fixed
>setup for the race?

>And if the FAST setups continue to be a problem for us, and they may well be
>at other tracks, maybe we should have a RASCAR tuned setup created by
>someone who knows what they are doing posted by, say, Wednesday before the
>weekend race.

>The idea of using open setups is also interesting. I like my idea that
>under the spirit of learning and sharing amongst Rascaronians, the race
>winners setup must be posted for all other RASCAR members to examine/use.

The problem I have with using someone else's setup is that it will naturally be
better for the person who created it. I might not be able to drive your setup,
and you might not be able to drive mine. If we use mine, you're screwed. If
we use yours, I'm screwed. Using a default setup means that *everyone* has to
adapt...
Using open setups does not interest me because the better setup gurus(who are
usually also the better drivers) will have an overwhelming advantage.

I just gotta remember that the freaking race is at Noon eastern... I keep
thinking it's at 4... I haven't gotten used to the schedule change yet.<g>

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by **Joe Saxo** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:15:23

Yes, that setup is great! It has much more grip and it's about as fast maybe
faster, I didn't really push it till the tires were a bit toasted.

Joe

by **Mitch_** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:23:56

You may be having some problems Larry but we sure can't change the setup
with less than 12 hours till race time. Not that Tim's setup isn't
wonderful mind you.

Mitch

by **Chad Roger** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:45:29

How about a link to this set?

TIA,

Chad

> You may be having some problems Larry but we sure can't change the setup
> with less than 12 hours till race time. Not that Tim's setup isn't
> wonderful mind you.

> Mitch

> > Folks, if you haven't downloaded Tims Rockingham setup, do it now!

> > This thing is so superior to the FAST setup that the two simply cannot
be
> > compared.

> > It is not only fast but, more importantly, it is stable and you can
> actually
> > control the car!

> > May I humbly make a suggestion. More than a few people, including
myself,
> > have fears about the current FAST setup and tomorrows race.

> > Eldred - How about you put Tims setup on the server and assign as the
> fixed
> > setup for the race?

> > And if the FAST setups continue to be a problem for us, and they may
well
> be
> > at other tracks, maybe we should have a RASCAR tuned setup created by
> > someone who knows what they are doing posted by, say, Wednesday before
the
> > weekend race.

> > The idea of using open setups is also interesting. I like my idea that
> > under the spirit of learning and sharing amongst Rascaronians, the race
> > winners setup must be posted for all other RASCAR members to
examine/use.

> > Larry

by **Bob** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:34:54

Tim posted it here earlier this week. Search for thread Rockingham setup.

> How about a link to this set?

> TIA,

> Chad

> > You may be having some problems Larry but we sure can't change the setup
> > with less than 12 hours till race time. Not that Tim's setup isn't
> > wonderful mind you.

> > Mitch

> > > Folks, if you haven't downloaded Tims Rockingham setup, do it now!

> > > This thing is so superior to the FAST setup that the two simply cannot
> be
> > > compared.

> > > It is not only fast but, more importantly, it is stable and you can
> > actually
> > > control the car!

> > > May I humbly make a suggestion. More than a few people, including
> myself,
> > > have fears about the current FAST setup and tomorrows race.

> > > Eldred - How about you put Tims setup on the server and assign as the
> > fixed
> > > setup for the race?

> > > And if the FAST setups continue to be a problem for us, and they may
> well
> > be
> > > at other tracks, maybe we should have a RASCAR tuned setup created by
> > > someone who knows what they are doing posted by, say, Wednesday before
> the
> > > weekend race.

> > > The idea of using open setups is also interesting. I like my idea
that
> > > under the spirit of learning and sharing amongst Rascaronians, the
race
> > > winners setup must be posted for all other RASCAR members to
> examine/use.

> > > Larry

by **John Simmon** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:33:07

> >Eldred - How about you put Tims setup on the server and assign as the fixed
> >setup for the race?

> The problem I have with using someone else's setup is that it will naturally be
> better for the person who created it. I might not be able to drive your setup,
> and you might not be able to drive mine. If we use mine, you're screwed. If
> we use yours, I'm screwed. Using a default setup means that *everyone* has to
> adapt...

whisper: That's aactually true about the <fast> setup too. It's
someone else's setup, and we're all screwed.

Can you imagine how much faster than the rest of us Tim would be if
we gave him that capability? Jeeze!

Also, don't forget:

- Full pace lap
- double-file restarts
- Tim starts two laps down (grin)

by **John Simmon** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:43:24

I have a possible solution.

1) Tim, you keep doing the setup thing for us for each track.

2) If a "Tim setup" is available for the next race on the schedule
immediately after the current race, we will use the "Tim setup" for
that race.

3) By the end of the schedule, we should have a "Tim setup" for each
track.

4) For the tracks we re-visit on the schedule (Daytona, Dega,
Bristol, etc) we will have a "Tim setup" for the 2nd race at that
track.

by **Eldre** » Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:12:03

>> The problem I have with using someone else's setup is that it will
>naturally be
>> better for the person who created it. I might not be able to drive your
>setup,
>> and you might not be able to drive mine. If we use mine, you're screwed.
>If
>> we use yours, I'm screwed. Using a default setup means that *everyone* has
>to
>> adapt...

>whisper: That's aactually true about the <fast> setup too. It's
>someone else's setup, and we're all screwed.

Exactly. I see that as being more 'fair'...

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:21:22

Eh... no offence, but no thanks.

Jan.
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by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:21:22

No offense, but that setup is an absolute dog. Very tight, heavy to steer,
big mid corner push, slow when you got the track to yourself, lethargic when
you'r either low or high. It's also *WAY* to stable, requiering manhandling
to even turn. The inaccuracy of forcefull movementent and a negative track
bar split conspire to snap this setup into terminal trailing throttle
oversteer, which is a very real hazard when traffic backs up a bit.

If every RASCAR setup was like this I'd have to think long and hard about
continuing. Granted, there are elements in the FAST setup (in general) which
I don't like either and the Rockingham one is on the loose side (especially
on worn ***), but it's not even 1/8th as bad as Tim's. Sorry mate.

Let's not... at least the FAST setup is not very "physical" to drive.

The fast setups already have persistent problems for some. Each individual
has to drive around the shortcomings the setup has for them. It's there and
it's faceless, so nobody can really *** about it. I say stick with it.

I can't think of anyone I'd trust to do that.

Open setups favour those who know what they'd like the car to drive like and
can arrive at it quickly and those with vast amounts of practise time. A lot
of members do RASCAR because they don't have time to really get competitive
in an open series, so I think that would be an unwise move.

Jan.
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by **Tim** » Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:26:42

Jan,

As far as I know, your the first person who has used this setup using FF. I wonder if thats the problem. Sure would like to know
if it is. Maybe if more people use FF try the setup I could adjust it.

As for the negative track bar, there never has been, and won't with N2003, be a sim that perfectly models real life racing. They
all have holes. Heck, ask any WC team how often they use negative wedge :)

For different reasons I do agree with you that setup is tight. Try taking out more wedge, adding 5% tape.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

> "Larry" wrote...
> > Folks, if you haven't downloaded Tims Rockingham setup,
> > do it now! This thing is so superior to the FAST setup
> > that the two simply cannot be compared.

> > It is not only fast but, more importantly, it is stable
> > and you can actually control the car!

> No offense, but that setup is an absolute dog. Very tight, heavy to steer,
> big mid corner push, slow when you got the track to yourself, lethargic when
> you'r either low or high. It's also *WAY* to stable, requiering manhandling
> to even turn. The inaccuracy of forcefull movementent and a negative track
> bar split conspire to snap this setup into terminal trailing throttle
> oversteer, which is a very real hazard when traffic backs up a bit.

> If every RASCAR setup was like this I'd have to think long and hard about
> continuing. Granted, there are elements in the FAST setup (in general) which
> I don't like either and the Rockingham one is on the loose side (especially
> on worn ***), but it's not even 1/8th as bad as Tim's. Sorry mate.

> > May I humbly make a suggestion. More than a few people,
> > including myself, have fears about the current FAST
> > setup and tomorrows race.

> > Eldred - How about you put Tims setup on the server and
> > assign as the fixed setup for the race?

> Let's not... at least the FAST setup is not very "physical" to drive.

> > And if the FAST setups continue to be a problem for us,
> > and they may well be at other tracks,

> The fast setups already have persistent problems for some. Each individual
> has to drive around the shortcomings the setup has for them. It's there and
> it's faceless, so nobody can really *** about it. I say stick with it.

> > maybe we should have a RASCAR tuned setup created by
> > someone who knows what they are doing posted by, say,
> > Wednesday before the weekend race.

> I can't think of anyone I'd trust to do that.

> > The idea of using open setups is also interesting.
> > I like my idea that under the spirit of learning
> > and sharing amongst Rascaronians, the race winners
> > setup must be posted for all other RASCAR members
> > to examine/use.

> Open setups favour those who know what they'd like the car to drive like and
> can arrive at it quickly and those with vast amounts of practise time. A lot
> of members do RASCAR because they don't have time to really get competitive
> in an open series, so I think that would be an unwise move.

> Jan.
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by **jwilso** » Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:34:07

I use act labs ff and found your setup stable and fast however after 40 laps
the right front was gone, added a half pound air to right rear and so far
seems much better:)

by **double** » Mon, 24 Feb 2003 02:15:07

Just took it for a spin and I totally agree with you. With FAST (and not so
much practice) I would lose it going into turn 1 more often than not, hehe.
After 2 laps I hit 23.741 (which would put me 8th on Sunday's grid) :-)

(I realize a hotlap isn't the point with a race setup and all, but still.)

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