and Guillemot. The Guillemot seems to have better pedals, but from what I've
heard the Logitech is quite reliable.
Which one should I choose? They are equal priced where I live.
Thanks!
/Carl
Which one should I choose? They are equal priced where I live.
Thanks!
/Carl
Slot
Are you joking? Are we to believe that you think there is enough
gear shifting in N3 to justify this? Quite funny!
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> Slot
> > I'm about to get me a new steering wheel, and I'm choosing between
> Logitech
> > and Guillemot. The Guillemot seems to have better pedals, but from what
> I've
> > heard the Logitech is quite reliable.
> > Which one should I choose? They are equal priced where I live.
> > Thanks!
> > /Carl
So, are we to believe that you don't shift gears at Watkins Glen or Sears
Point? Quite funny!!
Slot
> So, are we to believe that you don't shift gears at Watkins Glen or Sears
> Point? Quite funny!!
> Slot
> > Are you joking? Are we to believe that you think there is enough
> > gear shifting in N3 to justify this? Quite funny!
Well, that's true of course, but it's 'how' you get up to speed. I suppose
you could put it in automatic and just step on the gas. And still, there
are the circuits. You never race these? I guess I don't see your point. Are
you saying that because you aren't always shifting gears on all the tracks,
it's not worth it?
I stand by my original statement for these reasons. If you're a serious sim
player who wants as much realism in the game as possible (and I've seen
plenty of post on here about some pretty picky points), then this adds to
the realism. For those who are not so serious and race arcade type games
because they're fun, this certainly adds to that.
The shifter isn't just fun in gated mode (free shifting), it's also fun in
legacy (sequential) mode. It's the feel of it. I might also add that I
didn't care for it's feel during my first week of testing, the next couple
days it was okay, and now I prefer it. So I guess it grows on you. If you
haven't tried it, you probably won't understand.
But it's not just the shifter, my statement was that the Force RS and
Shifter were a blast in Nascar 3. It's a large diameter wheel with strong
FF. It has a turning radius of over 270 which, although frustrating at
times, is more realistic than other wheels for this game. But, I just don't
think I'd care for racing Nascar 3 with paddle shifters or in automatic. I
know there are some that are happily racing N3 without FF, in automatic,
and with a joystick, but I don't think most of us are.
Slot
I got the Act Labs Force RS last Wednesday, and the Shifter should be arriving
by the end of this week. I'm just starting to get use to the feel of the FF
from the Force RS and my speeds are slowly creeping back up (still playing
around with FF settings trying to find the ideal ones that I like best). I'm
looking forward to the arrival of the RS Shifter as I think the amount of
shifting I do in N3 will absolutely make my purchase (and constant search for a
little bit more realism) justifiable.
Dave Ericson
Momoboy online
JDB Racing
> > So, are we to believe that you don't shift gears at Watkins Glen or Sears
> > Point? Quite funny!!
> > Slot
> > > Are you joking? Are we to believe that you think there is enough
> > > gear shifting in N3 to justify this? Quite funny!
Correct. I haven;t even raced there.
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> > Are you joking? Are we to believe that you think there is enough
> > gear shifting in N3 to justify this? Quite funny!
Exactly right! Like what? You are supposed to get a boner shifting
gears out of the pits? Get real. Duh :-)
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> > So, are we to believe that you don't shift gears at Watkins Glen or
Sears
> > Point? Quite funny!!
> > Slot
> > > Are you joking? Are we to believe that you think there is enough
> > > gear shifting in N3 to justify this? Quite funny!
> > Yeh, OK on these circuits, but everywhere else the gears are only used
to
> > get up to speed!
> > Iain
> Well, that's true of course, but it's 'how' you get up to speed. I suppose
> you could put it in automatic and just step on the gas. And still, there
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Slot makes some very good points.
The amount that you shift does not determine the merits of the RS
Shifter.
Of course there are going to be diminishing returns in our quest to
make driving sims more realistic. Many "hard core" racing fanatics
will go to extraordinary lengths to improve their times or increase
the level of realism. If this wasn't true, we wouldn't be constantly
upgrading our hardware in order to chase 30+ frames per second.
Say you pay $200 more to get a faster CPU that will yield an extra 5
fps. Would you do it? Many would. Why? To improve gameplay.
Would you pay that $200 to get an extra 1 fps? Some would. The point
is that most guys in this newsgroup are "fanatics." Everything extra
is good.
Heck, I have 9 fans in my computer case. Did the ninth fan make my
computer "better" than the 8th? Probably not by very much, but I did
it anyway because I want to go as far as reasonably possible.
Now, I am not saying that everyone should get an RS Shifter.
Similarily, I am not saying that everyone should go out and get a
faster CPU to imrove their fps. However, there are many of us that
will do whatever we can or buy whatever we can to "improve the
experience." Experience and value are subjective, not tangibles. For
many of us, $60 is an awesome deal to get that added "sense."
Bottom line is that one cannot really make an accurate or informative
"statement" about something unless they have tried it.
Raymond
www.act-labs.com
On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:34:48 -0500, "David R. Ericson"
>I got the Act Labs Force RS last Wednesday, and the Shifter should be arriving
>by the end of this week. I'm just starting to get use to the feel of the FF
>from the Force RS and my speeds are slowly creeping back up (still playing
>around with FF settings trying to find the ideal ones that I like best). I'm
>looking forward to the arrival of the RS Shifter as I think the amount of
>shifting I do in N3 will absolutely make my purchase (and constant search for a
>little bit more realism) justifiable.
>Dave Ericson
>Momoboy online
>JDB Racing
>> Yeh, OK on these circuits, but everywhere else the gears are only used to
>> get up to speed!
>> Iain
>> > Only someone who hasn't tried it could ask this. No, I'm not joking. If
>> you
>> > could only shift one gear it would be worth it.
>> > So, are we to believe that you don't shift gears at Watkins Glen or Sears
>> > Point? Quite funny!!
>> > Slot
>> > > Are you joking? Are we to believe that you think there is enough
>> > > gear shifting in N3 to justify this? Quite funny!
So Greg, do you think you'll be buying one soon?
Slot
> Exactly right! Like what? You are supposed to get a boner shifting
> gears out of the pits? Get real. Duh :-)
Maybe you shouldn't blindly criticize people for stating their opinion about
something that you haven't even tried. Maybe YOU should get an RS shifter,
start up N3, go to Martinsville, drive out of the pits, shift through the
gears, downshift/upshift through the corners, feel the boner, and get real...
;-)
Dave Ericson
MomoBoy online
JDB Racing