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TI 4600 and N2002

Dougla

TI 4600 and N2002

by Dougla » Wed, 22 May 2002 12:20:13

Was wondering if anyone is running the new TI 4600 video card and what there
thoughts are on it. Am interested in getting one and am wondering if Nascar
2002 would make good use of it. It is a fair outlay of change and I want to
make sure that I will really notice the difference from my Radeon 64MB. TIA.
Douglas
Biz

TI 4600 and N2002

by Biz » Wed, 22 May 2002 12:44:43

N2002 is also very CPU dependant, so putting  a fast card in a sub-standard pc will not really
improve things.  But the ti4600 is as good as it gets today and works very well with N2002 if you
have the rest of the system to go with it.
--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash


> Was wondering if anyone is running the new TI 4600 video card and what there
> thoughts are on it. Am interested in getting one and am wondering if Nascar
> 2002 would make good use of it. It is a fair outlay of change and I want to
> make sure that I will really notice the difference from my Radeon 64MB. TIA.
> Douglas

Dougla

TI 4600 and N2002

by Dougla » Wed, 22 May 2002 12:48:17

Yes I see what you mean regarding the cpu being important, was running on a
1Gb system and have since upgraded to a P4 2Gb Intel and can notice the
changes. Was hoping that the Ti would make as noticeable an impression or am
I wishfully thinking/hoping.
GLege

TI 4600 and N2002

by GLege » Wed, 22 May 2002 14:37:59


Douglas,

My experience with this card is that I have the same processor, P4 2.0a NW,
and initially
I had a few small problems with the card (drivers).  After a few swap outs
for the card, I'm not so sure
it was the card.  Anyway, I first had the Ti4600, and it looked great, and
ran really fast.  When
I swapped out the card, the store didn't have that same card in stock, so I
settled for the
Ti4400.  Let me tell you, there weren't any difference in the video quality,
and wasn't much
difference in the frame rate!  I may have gotten about 5 or so more fps with
the 4600.
When your already getting anywhere from 60 to 140 fps in N2002, I personally
don't think
the 4600 is worth the extra $100.  This performance is reflected upon using
just N2002 however.
Other games you may see different results, though you did mention N2002, and
that's
what I've been running exclusively over the last few months.  So, I just
kept
the 4400, and am very happy with it, and have another c-note in my pocket.

Hope this helps.

Dougla

TI 4600 and N2002

by Dougla » Wed, 22 May 2002 15:50:36

Hey thanks for the tip, right now with the 7500 and everything turned way up
I am seeing from 35 to 45 so the numbers you are telling me are
inviting.............and the 4400 might be the way to go.

Thanks......

"GLeger"

Steve Smit

TI 4600 and N2002

by Steve Smit » Wed, 22 May 2002 19:59:55

GLeger is right: the Ti 4400 will give you 90-95% of the Ti 4600...for 75%
of the cost.  Go for it.


<somecallme..

TI 4600 and N2002

by <somecallme.. » Thu, 23 May 2002 01:33:14

4400Ti is practically the same as 4600ti apart from clock speed (the mem
chips are very slightly quicker) and will clock quite hapily iup to 4600
speeds and even slightly higher.

The best thing about GeForce 4 is not nessesarily the extra speed (who the
hell can notice going from say 30 to 50 fps?) but the quality of the image.
You can quite happily run all modern games at high res with FSAA on and all
the lovely effects with hardly any frame rate loss, simply superb!

Some Call Me Tim

Dave Henri

TI 4600 and N2002

by Dave Henri » Thu, 23 May 2002 07:36:25


  I haven't seen the GF4 yet, but the fsaaaaa on my gf3 is less than ideal.
I've totallyl turned it off since the framerate loss  is not compensated by
the supposedly clearer visuals.  (sorry had to sneek in a 3dfx plug)  I've
heard the 4 doesn't slow down much so that's a plus...I just got spoilt
using a V5 even at lower rez's and only 2xfsaa.
  After all that whining, I will say tho...I AM QUITE HAPPY WITH MY PRESENT
NVIDIA card.  Framerates in the 80's which is something I would have never
seen with my old voodoo.   Still hoping the speedy nvidia engineers can team
up with the old fsaa guys from 3dfx to produce a trully stellar product.
dave henrie

Steve Smit

TI 4600 and N2002

by Steve Smit » Thu, 23 May 2002 20:41:20

The only way to get a nVidia card look like our late, lamented Voodoos is to
forget the FSAA and crank the anisometric filtering up to the max.  It
requires more electronic horsepower than trilinear FSAA, but it looks a
*lot* better than FSAA...IMO.




> > 4400Ti is practically the same as 4600ti apart from clock speed (the mem
> > chips are very slightly quicker) and will clock quite hapily iup to 4600
> > speeds and even slightly higher.

> > The best thing about GeForce 4 is not nessesarily the extra speed (who
the
> > hell can notice going from say 30 to 50 fps?) but the quality of the
> image.
> > You can quite happily run all modern games at high res with FSAA on and
> all
> > the lovely effects with hardly any frame rate loss, simply superb!

> > Some Call Me Tim
>   I haven't seen the GF4 yet, but the fsaaaaa on my gf3 is less than
ideal.
> I've totallyl turned it off since the framerate loss  is not compensated
by
> the supposedly clearer visuals.  (sorry had to sneek in a 3dfx plug)  I've
> heard the 4 doesn't slow down much so that's a plus...I just got spoilt
> using a V5 even at lower rez's and only 2xfsaa.
>   After all that whining, I will say tho...I AM QUITE HAPPY WITH MY
PRESENT
> NVIDIA card.  Framerates in the 80's which is something I would have never
> seen with my old voodoo.   Still hoping the speedy nvidia engineers can
team
> up with the old fsaa guys from 3dfx to produce a trully stellar product.
> dave henrie

Damien Smit

TI 4600 and N2002

by Damien Smit » Thu, 23 May 2002 22:34:24

<rant>
I've got a Ti4600 and the FSAA is a joke.  2x and 3x make barely any
difference (certainly not as much as going one resolution step higher) and
4x kills the framerate, but doesn't look too bad (nothing to get too e***d
about though)  I simply couldn't believe that nVidia could release such a
high end card without full hardware AA.  Lots of arcade machines had that
feature way back in the early 90s.  Also, when the hell are they going to
put overscan mode into their TV-out options?  I seriously hope that there's
a company making viable alternatives to GFs next time I buy a 3D card...
</rant>

<somecallme..

TI 4600 and N2002

by <somecallme.. » Fri, 24 May 2002 01:44:04


I'm running it with both quincunx FSAA and 8x anistropic filtering mostly at
1280x1024 and it just looks fab. It is also hardly any slower than with
basic settings. It only starts to hurt when you get up to 1600x1200 and at
that res you don't really need FSAA anyway. I do angree it well worth having
anistropic filtering as this makes the textures look much nicer.

My GeForce 4400Ti cost me 229 which is lot of dosh but I think it's been
worth it to upgrade from my old GeForce DDR. If you've already got a
GeForce3 It's probably not worth the upgrade.

Some Call Me Tim

Steve Smit

TI 4600 and N2002

by Steve Smit » Fri, 24 May 2002 19:17:31

There's always ATI.  For that matter, the Voodoo community is still going
full-blast.


Grant Reev

TI 4600 and N2002

by Grant Reev » Sat, 25 May 2002 22:07:36


> The best thing about GeForce 4 is not nessesarily the extra speed (who the
> hell can notice going from say 30 to 50 fps?) but the quality of the image.
> You can quite happily run all modern games at high res with FSAA on and all
> the lovely effects with hardly any frame rate loss, simply superb!

Another improvement on the GF4 is the quality of DXT compressed
textures.
GF1s, 2s and 3s all have a hardware fault that causes compressed
textures
to decode into 16bit, so in particular the skies in N2002 look really
horribly banded. But the GF4s decompress them properly, and the skies
look a lot smoother. Radeons have always done this properly, btw.
Shoda

TI 4600 and N2002

by Shoda » Sat, 25 May 2002 23:45:49


Except if you turn on anisotropic filtering. The R8500 still outperforms the
GF4 4600 even with ansio on because it uses a more efficient method of doing
aniso. The GF4 of course kills the R8500 with FSAA on though. I'll wait for
the next round before upgrading again, but my take is if you own an R8500
use aniso but not FSAA and if you own a GF4 use FSAA but not aniso.

Joachim Trens

TI 4600 and N2002

by Joachim Trens » Sun, 26 May 2002 02:45:45

I say this carefully and ask everyone to take this comment with a grain of
salt, but Aniso for me in N2002 makes dearly little difference in framerate.
I am not sure whether the drivers used in that fairly old review were fully
up to scratch.

But as I said, take this comment with a grain of salt, I'm just reporting my
personal experience.

Achim




> > The best thing about GeForce 4 is not nessesarily the extra speed (who
the
> > hell can notice going from say 30 to 50 fps?) but the quality of the
> image.
> > You can quite happily run all modern games at high res with FSAA on and
> all
> > the lovely effects with hardly any frame rate loss, simply superb!

> > Some Call Me Tim

> Except if you turn on anisotropic filtering. The R8500 still outperforms
the
> GF4 4600 even with ansio on because it uses a more efficient method of
doing
> aniso. The GF4 of course kills the R8500 with FSAA on though. I'll wait
for
> the next round before upgrading again, but my take is if you own an R8500
> use aniso but not FSAA and if you own a GF4 use FSAA but not aniso.


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