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Not to be insulting, but I tried NASCAR 2
and found myself going loop after loop
and some interesting collision which accident cars disappeared
right before your eyes

but really after 8 sittings
I could not find any of the enthusiasm of this NG
over NASCAR

Can any of you NASCAR fans enlighten me ?
which part of NASCAR really challenge you.

as far as I know , it is gas on , gas off ,
gas on
gas off,

regards
leong

p/s of course it has the MOST colourful cars in ALL DRIVING SIMS

I'll use an old biker axiom - "If I have to explain, you wouldn't
understand."

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Nascar is like wrestling.
In GP people seem to root for the car, In Nascar people root for the car
with the coolest paint job.

Ferrari=Pontiac?

To me it's a little lack luster.

  Hans

I happen to think soccer is the most boring sport in the history of mankind.
Id rather go shopping with my wife than watch soccer.  (NOW THATS BAD!!!)
However... its one of, if not THE most popular sport in the world. (Except here
in the US of course).

In the US NASCAR is the most popular form of autoracing.  In Europe its F1.

To the participants and fans each has aspects that they can relate to and
thoroughly enjoy.  If you do not relate to it... you arent going to enjoy it.

As far as motorsports go for me...   I pretty much will watch anything race
<G>  However... nothing catches my attention like NASCAR and the SCCA Trans-Am
series though.  Personal preference.   However if they brought back the real
Can-Am series... then that would change ;)

The point being...  NASCAR is not as easy as it appears.  The drivers in NASCAR
have skills that F1 drivers dont and vice versa.  Each has characterictics
exclusive to the other.
(Please lets not get into the argument of which series has the best drivers in
the world in it because it will only get messy and again its up to
interpretation).

Scott
PA-Scott

hehe I don't blame ya the pace car might over take u at that speed :~)

John
J_G_F, Team MDM

For me, I have always loved stock cars.  What I love about the N2 line of
sims is this...

1.    Car setups.  I love being able to tweak a car until it fits the way I
drive.  Driving styles are as varied as opinions, and no two are the same.
I may work on a setup for hours before going to a race, and then still tweak
that setup for years.

2.    Usually I'm not the fastest car in practice.  I will set up my car so
I can drive within my ability, and save the tires for the whole fuel load.
Then when I'm in a race, I will follow the leaders, the leaders will pull
away, I will bide my time and drive consistent laps until I catch them or
pass them in the pits.  Nothing satisfies me more than working on a setup,
and having that setup work like it's supposed to all day, and going from
last to first.

3.    In N2, it matters allot WHEN you gas on and gas off.  I like the
challenge of running on the edge, lifting off the gas late as possible and
getting back on the gas as soon as possible, all the while being as smooth
and unabusive  to the car as I can, for just one more car-length closer to
the leaders.  I love being able to see the next car in front of me, for
maybe dozens of laps, creeping ever so closer, until I can get under them
and make the pass.

4.    Strategy.  There are times when I'm not catching the leaders.  Thats'
when I whip out my calculator and start figuring mileage vs tires vs laps
etc.  I gotta decide whether to go for it, or save fuel and tires and do one
less pit stop.  I have won races this way, Dover comes to mind.  400 lap
race, 100 laps to go, I was 2 laps up on the field after everyone else
pitted under green and I stayed out.  few laps later, yellow, I pit.  Still
almost 2 whole laps up, I stretch the car to go the rest of the way, I won
the race by .3 seconds.  Ohhh, goose bumps.

5.    Anyway, I seems Papy has simulated all the details that make Nascar
unique.  And it's those details that make us sim racers love this line of
software.  It's not an instant thrill, and not an easy one.  I race with
full real settings, each track is at least 101%.   So, for me, when a car I
setup works for a 3~4 hour race, I'm grinnin.  If that car wins, I party.

Just a few things that thrill me

Kenny L.

Hey, to each his own.  All forms of racing have elements of
technique and skill that are admirable, IMO.  Although I am first
and foremost an F1 fan, NASCAR is high on my list.  

The attraction?  Well, it requires an open mind, which may be
your real struggle?  For me, there is skill, the skill to feel
the car, feel the tires going, the close racing, exploring the
true limit of the car.  And, most important to me, the GREAT
drivers find ways to communicate what the car is doing to the
crew and the adjustments that stem from that input are the
difference between winning and losing for the top flight
equipment.

The gas on, gas off is the tip of the iceberg.  Saying Nascar is
only gas on, gass off is akin to saying the same for F1... which
clearly is not true.  Getting the car setup to leave the gas on
as long as possible, and get back on it as soon as possible, all
the while managing a 3500lb beast hell bent on succumbing to
centrifigal force whilst barrelling into a turn 3 wide at
175mph... that takes talent.  Different talent than F1.
Different talent than CART.  Talent nonetheless.  

In my humble opinion, to ignore that fact is to be ignorant and
close minded.

To each his own.  I don't like drag racing for example, but that
doesn't mean I need to put it down.  It takes extreme talent and
courage to succeed at that sport.  Just not my cup of tea.

If yer winning all your N99 races, then bump up the AI skill
level and see how you like Earnhardt, Martin, or T. Labonte
tapping your quarterpanel out of turn 4 at C***te and beating
you into turn1 by a yard... *that's racin'*.

Cheers.

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Cheers!
John

That couldn't be further from the truth.
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