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Blast From The Past

John Simmon

Blast From The Past

by John Simmon » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:53:35


says...

In every race in which he participates, he will be the most
scrutinized driver.  I'm trying to be fair to the guy, but that
doesn't mean I have to be completely trusting, and it would not be
prudent to fail to maintain a careful watch on his performance (and
he should expect that kind of treatment).

Edgecrushe

Blast From The Past

by Edgecrushe » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:26:59

Yup, take a look at someone doing 200+ laps at Texas in the TLS forums, the fact that Eric Busch said he wasnt aware of any cheat
suggests they havent fixed the ram cheat.

--

Steve

"In the old days, the Irish used to blow up our pubs, now they refit them tastefully"

The Pub Landlord.


> Your sure that was N2003, cause I read where the ram cheat does not work in this version.

> --
> Tim White
> www.intracmotorsports.com


> > One program does it, the ram cheat, Ive seen a guy who cant drive do 200+ laps at Texas without ever lifting.

> > A couple of weeks ago Eric said he wasnt aware any cheat existed so they havent been researching too *** the subject.

> > --

> > Steve

> > "In the old days, the Irish used to blow up our pubs, now they refit them tastefully"

> > The Pub Landlord.


> > > N2003, the way I understand it, is the first version that moves the data around in memory.  Eric B. has stated several times
> they
> > > are not aware of any methods used in the past that work with this model.

> > > Everyone always said moving the code around randomly, on the fly, was the simplest way to negate a standard tsr that knew
where
> to
> > > look.  Every hack I ever heard of used that logic.  But can someone hack into N2003? Sure.  I just don't think it's as common
as
> > it
> > > has been.

> > > --
> > > Tim White
> > > www.intracmotorsports.com


> > > > N2003 is very easily hacked. You just need one program to increase grip, give you fresh tyres anytime, repair damage at a
> > > keystroke.

Steve Smit

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by Steve Smit » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:27:11

I wonder if anybody remembers the story I instigated during the Seventies in
Car and Driver which proved conclusively that smoking *** makes you a
better driver.  Okay, the methodology was flawed.  THC ruins yer long-term
concentration, but the C/D test was over a simple gymkhana course.

Short Attention-Span Sports: During the Sixties, I won several drag races
whilst twisted out of my face.

Brit journo Charles Fox (aka the Duke of Methodone; he was the guy who

a Triumph Spitfire under the influence of an unauthorized substance when he
became convinced that it was a Supermarine Spitfire, and pulled back on the
"stick" with disasterous consequences....




> >     Thanks Eldred. I've actually tried to get ready for the last few
races
> > but
> > with the pain killers i'm taking I don't want to***up and cause
> wrecks.
> > Its
> > easy enough to do under normal conditions.
> >     I have been doing some setups for the road courses and if anyone
needs
> > something let me know.

> >     Pete

> Well.... I won my first race online with N2003 when I was stoned...

Mike Grand

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by Mike Grand » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:32:25

I don't get much chance to race with you guys anymore since I work all day
saturday but I thought I would add my 2 cents. I have know Robert since the
inception of online racing and while i have questioned his capabilities at
times (-:, I have always enjoyed racing with him. He helped expose many
loopholes in the early versions and I see no reason to not trust that he
will abide by the rules set forth. For all anyone knows for sure, we could
all be cheaters.




> > "Tim" wrote...
> > > John, I don't see how you can honestly refuse
> > > a guy to race in RASCAR based on so much
> > > hearsay and innuendo, especially when it
> > > comes to Robert.

> > I can sympatise with both viewpoints, but, in view of the nature of
RASCAR
> > racing, I'd go with innocent until proven guilty, i.e. proven to have
> > cheated or otherwise misbehaved in a RASCAR race, before going to lenght
of
> > excluding someone. One doesn't have to like a person to race him.

> > Then again, one more guy blowing my doors off doesn't hurt my pride
nearly
> > as much as it does the contenders'. <g>

> Well, until someone involved in the entire thing can provide concrete
> proof that he didn't cheat, the "heresay" stands as the best version
> of the facts to which I have access.

Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:20:43

Hmmm...
/me calls an unscrupulous pharmacist...

Eldred
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Jason Moy

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by Jason Moy » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:57:28


>Well.... I won my first race online with N2003 when I was stoned...

I've heard that LSD makes for a great GPL concentration companion.
3rd hand report and all that.

Jason

Pete

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by Pete » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:09:23

    Must have missed that one. :-)

    Pete


> I wonder if anybody remembers the story I instigated during the Seventies
in
> Car and Driver which proved conclusively that smoking *** makes you
a
> better driver.  Okay, the methodology was flawed.  THC ruins yer long-term
> concentration, but the C/D test was over a simple gymkhana course.

> Short Attention-Span Sports: During the Sixties, I won several drag races
> whilst twisted out of my face.

> Brit journo Charles Fox (aka the Duke of Methodone; he was the guy who

in
> a Triumph Spitfire under the influence of an unauthorized substance when
he
> became convinced that it was a Supermarine Spitfire, and pulled back on
the
> "stick" with disasterous consequences....

Ric Seyle

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by Ric Seyle » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:40:48




>>wow

>>--
>>Tim White
>>www.intracmotorsports.com

>>>Well, until someone involved in the entire thing can provide concrete
>>>proof that he didn't cheat, the "heresay" stands as the best version
>>>of the facts to which I have access.

>Ya see it's that whole new Ashcroft Justice Dept. thing.

>"You have the right to confess. You have the right to prove your innocence.
>If you can not prove your innocence and can not afford an executioner one
>will be appointed to you."

>Elrikk  ;o)

>PS.  Besides, if he let him back in the terrorist win.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Ric Seyler
Online Racing: RicSeyler
GPL Handicap 6.35

http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler
--------------------------------------
"Homer no function beer well without."
- H.J. Simpson

Ric Seyle

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by Ric Seyle » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:47:50

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
We old HAWAII guys sure are a crusty bunch!!



>>Huggins was cheating waaay before TEN. And you, Tom not only were
>>you NOT on Hawaii but you didn't show up on TEN until some
>>time after it was running.

><ding ding ding>

>>  Banned arbitrarily? He agreed to the rules when signing up for TEN.

><ding ding ding>

>>   This your annual attempt at re-writing sim history?

><ding ding ding>

--
Ric Seyler
Online Racing: RicSeyler
GPL Handicap 6.35

http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler
--------------------------------------
"Homer no function beer well without."
- H.J. Simpson
Ric Seyle

Blast From The Past

by Ric Seyle » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:00:33


>    You know I find it interesting and amusing when the stories start going
>around
>about Robert Huggins. It seems the further we get from the events the bigger
>the
>tales get.
>    I can guarantee there is no one this NG that knows the full story
>including Robert
>himself.
>    How do I know?
>    Well I was directly involved with a couple of Papy people at the time of
>Roberts
>indiscretions so I know what happened on their end.
>    Robert confided to me what happened at the time from his perspective and
>confirmed my involvement.
>    I was the one who asked Robert Huggins to join us at BHMS, we wanted his
>programming skills
>which he freely gave to write utilities that were given out to the racing
>community.
>    Although, I haven't spoke with him recently. I still do get the odd
>email.

>    I'm not going to go into what did and didn't happen but lets just say
>there are
>always two sides to a story. But a lot of half truths and innuendo doesn't
>make something
>fact.
>    I will say this much though, Robert made mistakes and he paid for them
>and is still paying
>for them.

>Papyrus made mistakes and they paid for them as well.

Just to add a little humor.....
We pay for Papy's mistakes, about $49.00 at a time. hehehehe

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--
Ric Seyler
Online Racing: RicSeyler
GPL Handicap 6.35

http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler
--------------------------------------
"Homer no function beer well without."
- H.J. Simpson
Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 06:06:51


> I wonder if anybody remembers the story I instigated during the Seventies in
> Car and Driver which proved conclusively that smoking *** makes you a
> better driver.  Okay, the methodology was flawed.  THC ruins yer long-term
> concentration, but the C/D test was over a simple gymkhana course.

> Short Attention-Span Sports: During the Sixties, I won several drag races
> whilst twisted out of my face.

> Brit journo Charles Fox (aka the Duke of Methodone; he was the guy who

> a Triumph Spitfire under the influence of an unauthorized substance when he
> became convinced that it was a Supermarine Spitfire, and pulled back on the
> "stick" with disasterous consequences....

I love these old stories

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Pete

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by Pete » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:19:48

    How true! :-)

    Pete

  Just to add a little humor.....
  We pay for Papy's mistakes, about $49.00 at a time. hehehehe

--
Ric Seyler
Online Racing: RicSeyler
GPL Handicap 6.35

http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler
--------------------------------------
"Homer no function beer well without."
- H.J. Simpson

Bustamov

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by Bustamov » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:35:36

What the Hell! Who cares about Character anyway? I would never assume a person can reform without first hand knowledge. And I give a damn about character. That's right intolerant and judgmental I am. And I like it!

    You know I find it interesting and amusing when the stories start going
around
about Robert Huggins. It seems the further we get from the events the bigger
the
tales get.
    I can guarantee there is no one this NG that knows the full story
including Robert
himself.
    How do I know?
    Well I was directly involved with a couple of Papy people at the time of
Roberts
indiscretions so I know what happened on their end.
    Robert confided to me what happened at the time from his perspective and
confirmed my involvement.
    I was the one who asked Robert Huggins to join us at BHMS, we wanted his
programming skills
which he freely gave to write utilities that were given out to the racing
community.
    Although, I haven't spoke with him recently. I still do get the odd
email.

    I'm not going to go into what did and didn't happen but lets just say
there are
always two sides to a story. But a lot of half truths and innuendo doesn't
make something
fact.
    I will say this much though, Robert made mistakes and he paid for them
and is still paying
for them.

Papyrus made mistakes and they paid for them as well.Just to add a little humor.....
  We pay for Papy's mistakes, about $49.00 at a time. hehehehe

    I will make one point in Roberts defence. He was open in making his
request to join Rascar.
He could have done it under a false name and no one would have known. I
think the fact
that he was open and above board suggests he isn't the same person he was
many years
ago.
    I will also tell you he has developed into one of the best racers around
without the need to
cheat. Although I'm sure he will be accussed of such untill the day he dies.

    Hopefully, if my health improves I will be able to make a few races in
Rascar myself.

    Pete

--
Ric Seyler
Online Racing: RicSeyler
GPL Handicap 6.35

http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler
--------------------------------------
"Homer no function beer well without."
- H.J. Simpson

Gave

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by Gave » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:25:43

 Saruman!


> Francois....When have you ever been one to let someone else (Papy) do your
> thinking for you?  This doesn't sound like the "ymenard" that I know and
> have been friends with for about 5 or 6 years.  Do **you** think Robert
was
> cheating?  Who cares what Papy said or didn't say!

> And there were "troubles" with BHM and several other "teams" in
> NROS....which was completely full of holes as you very well know.  Some
> people took advantage of them and some didn't.  So what?

> TP

> PS:  I liked your "ding - ding - ding" post, by the way.  I figured it
would
> make your week to get Greg and I going at it again here on r.a.s.  This
> place has been kind of quiet and docile for you lately, huh?




> > > If you are talking about Robert Huggins, then I think you better go do
> > some
> > > deep research of the issues.....because he was "accused" of cheating
> under
> > > circumstances that subsequent evidence never supported.

> > <yawn>

> > Papy said he was.  I don't care for whatever political or real reason.
He
> > was.  End of story.  They don't have to prove it to their customers.

> > > He's a member of Black Hole Motorsports still,

> > Yeah and there was never trouble with this team on the NROS <roll eyes>

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
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> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Larr

Blast From The Past

by Larr » Fri, 27 Jun 2003 05:54:41

No shit :)

-Larry



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