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by **John Simmon** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:17:11

says...

> >>"Tim" wrote...

> >>>John, I don't see how you can honestly refuse
> >>>a guy to race in RASCAR based on so much
> >>>hearsay and innuendo, especially when it
> >>>comes to Robert.

> >>I can sympatise with both viewpoints, but, in view of the nature of RASCAR
> >>racing, I'd go with innocent until proven guilty, i.e. proven to have
> >>cheated or otherwise misbehaved in a RASCAR race, before going to lenght of
> >>excluding someone. One doesn't have to like a person to race him.

> >>Then again, one more guy blowing my doors off doesn't hurt my pride nearly
> >>as much as it does the contenders'. <g>

> > Well, until someone involved in the entire thing can provide concrete
> > proof that he didn't cheat, the "heresay" stands as the best version
> > of the facts to which I have access.

> So he is banned for life until the above happens? Or is there a 'term'
> that he must serve?

As long as I have any say in it, and until somneone can provide
substantial and undeniable proof that he's innocent, he won't be
racing in RASCAR. Don Wilshe, on the other hand, is banned for life -
no discussion, no way (and he knows why).

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:33:07

> You said it all right here... And as it should be for anyone caught
> cheating.

So when does he get a 2nd chance....it's not like he killed someone, or
even worse, is a known spammer ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

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by **John Simmon** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:32:27

Well, hell. I sat here reading all this stuff (and Pete's message was
the kicker), and I gotta admit that my decision may have been made a
bit harsh.

If you tell Robert to indicate on the RASCAR forum (or here for that
matter) that he still wants to race with us, I'll go ahead and
approve his application.

I hereby officially apologize to Robert for assuming the worst
without actually experiencing it. I hope there's no hard feelings on
his end, and that he understands where I was coming from on the
initial refusal.

by **John Simmon** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:33:25

resources.com says...

> > You said it all right here... And as it should be for anyone caught
> > cheating.

> So when does he get a 2nd chance....it's not like he killed someone, or
> even worse, is a known spammer ?

You're right, I've never heard of any HugginsSpam. :)

by **gddd** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:48:04

Not to mention the ones who DO KNOW FOR SURE pasted it on the TEN Welcome
screen everytime you logged in. lol That's all the proof anyone needs
whether you agree with it or not.

> > "Tim" wrote...
> > > John, I don't see how you can honestly refuse
> > > a guy to race in RASCAR based on so much
> > > hearsay and innuendo, especially when it
> > > comes to Robert.

> > I can sympatise with both viewpoints, but, in view of the nature of
RASCAR
> > racing, I'd go with innocent until proven guilty, i.e. proven to have
> > cheated or otherwise misbehaved in a RASCAR race, before going to lenght
of
> > excluding someone. One doesn't have to like a person to race him.

> > Then again, one more guy blowing my doors off doesn't hurt my pride
nearly
> > as much as it does the contenders'. <g>

> Well, until someone involved in the entire thing can provide concrete
> proof that he didn't cheat, the "heresay" stands as the best version
> of the facts to which I have access.

by **gddd** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:49:48

AMEN to that!

Don Wilshe, on the other hand, is banned for life -

by **Tim** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:02:08

Your sure that was N2003, cause I read where the ram cheat does not work in this version.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

> One program does it, the ram cheat, Ive seen a guy who cant drive do 200+ laps at Texas without ever lifting.

> A couple of weeks ago Eric said he wasnt aware any cheat existed so they havent been researching too *** the subject.

> --

> Steve

> "In the old days, the Irish used to blow up our pubs, now they refit them tastefully"

> The Pub Landlord.

> > N2003, the way I understand it, is the first version that moves the data around in memory. Eric B. has stated several times
they
> > are not aware of any methods used in the past that work with this model.

> > Everyone always said moving the code around randomly, on the fly, was the simplest way to negate a standard tsr that knew where
to
> > look. Every hack I ever heard of used that logic. But can someone hack into N2003? Sure. I just don't think it's as common as
> it
> > has been.

> > --
> > Tim White
> > www.intracmotorsports.com

> > > N2003 is very easily hacked. You just need one program to increase grip, give you fresh tyres anytime, repair damage at a
> > keystroke.

by **frederickso** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:08:07

this is better than TV

> > I will make one point in Roberts defence. He was open in making his
> > request to join Rascar. He could have done it under a false name
> > and no one would have known. I think the fact that he was open and
> > above board suggests he isn't the same person he was many years
> > ago.

> Well, hell. I sat here reading all this stuff (and Pete's message was
> the kicker), and I gotta admit that my decision may have been made a
> bit harsh.

> If you tell Robert to indicate on the RASCAR forum (or here for that
> matter) that he still wants to race with us, I'll go ahead and
> approve his application.

> I hereby officially apologize to Robert for assuming the worst
> without actually experiencing it. I hope there's no hard feelings on
> his end, and that he understands where I was coming from on the
> initial refusal.

by **Tim** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:09:22

Well done John :)

--
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www.intracmotorsports.com

> Well, hell. I sat here reading all this stuff (and Pete's message was
> the kicker), and I gotta admit that my decision may have been made a
> bit harsh.

> If you tell Robert to indicate on the RASCAR forum (or here for that
> matter) that he still wants to race with us, I'll go ahead and
> approve his application.

> I hereby officially apologize to Robert for assuming the worst
> without actually experiencing it. I hope there's no hard feelings on
> his end, and that he understands where I was coming from on the
> initial refusal.

by **Ed Solhei** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:19:50

"frederickson" said:

Go Ricki - Go Ricki !!!

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ed_
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---------------------------------------
$10 say Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

by **Mikkel Gram-Hanse** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:37:29

The right decision IMHO and well said John.
Takes a good man to think things through and act accordingly.

Mikkel

.

> > I will make one point in Roberts defence. He was open in making his
> > request to join Rascar. He could have done it under a false name
> > and no one would have known. I think the fact that he was open and
> > above board suggests he isn't the same person he was many years
> > ago.

> Well, hell. I sat here reading all this stuff (and Pete's message was
> the kicker), and I gotta admit that my decision may have been made a
> bit harsh.

> If you tell Robert to indicate on the RASCAR forum (or here for that
> matter) that he still wants to race with us, I'll go ahead and
> approve his application.

> I hereby officially apologize to Robert for assuming the worst
> without actually experiencing it. I hope there's no hard feelings on
> his end, and that he understands where I was coming from on the
> initial refusal.

by **Eldre** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:37:32

> Hopefully, if my health improves I will be able to make a few races in
>Rascar myself.

I didn't know you were having health problems, man. Hope you feel better
soon...

Eldred
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by **elrik** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:41:59

Ya see it's that whole new Ashcroft Justice Dept. thing.

"You have the right to confess. You have the right to prove your innocence.
If you can not prove your innocence and can not afford an executioner one
will be appointed to you."

Elrikk ;o)

PS. Besides, if he let him back in the terrorist win.

by **Don Burnett** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:31:38

> "Wayne Bradley" wrote...
>> I somewhat agree and Rascar could solve a bigger problem
>> by banning Tom Pabst. Seriously, Tom Pabst will do more
>> damage to a league then Huggins ever would! It has been
>> proven!

> Don't worry, mr. Bradley. Mr. Pabst is not attending any RASCAR races
> or functions.

> Jan.
> =---

Then why the heck is such a big stink being made over it ? Is Rascar that
all so important to league racing to cause all this debate over who can or
cannot race with Rascar?
Last time I looked, Rascar was an invite league developed for and around the
people the frequent this forum. Heck, I don't even know that you could call
it a league , just a group of guys that got to know each other on this forum
and race together on Saturdays.
Seems to me, the ones that put in the time to make this happen for everyone
else, have every right to determine who does and does not get added to the
invite list.
Don't know why that would have such a major impact on anyone, especially
someone that does not even run in Rascar at all.

Ok, Robert Huggins. I don't know the guy personally, but he has a
"reputation" in the Nascar sim racing community. A reputation that started
with N1 on Hawaii, and extended evidently into N2 on Ten and the Nros. Back
when we were running on Hawaii, he was a hot topic :). And obviously a
reputation that has followed him around to today.

Understand, I don't know for a fact he ever cheated, and really don't
care. He may be one of the nicest guys in the world for all I know.
But as far as Rascar, I would respect any call the folks that play the
largest part in putting this show on for the members, makes on any
individual. Officially, he was banned from the Nros Series on Ten for
cheating. Only person to my knowledge that officially got banned for that.
That is fact, anything else is just speculation. Whether it is true or
false, is nothing more and will never be anything more than speculation.

Personally, if I knew of a good group of guys that raced together, that was
founded on their fellowship developed in a newsgroup forum, I would first
start reading and participating in that forum, and get to know the guys and
let them get to know me before I just came in and said hey, I want to race,
let me in.

Just my humble opinon gang.
Now if I can just get off my fat ass and race more with you guys - I am
single now, and Satruday evenings are a little tougher to make :).
I will say this from the few races I have got to participate in, you guys
that run in Rascar regular are some of the cleanest drivers I have seen, and
show more respect on the track than some of the better leagues out there -
you got a good thing going, so y'all must be doing something right so far
:).

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by **Don Burnett** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:40:08

>> I will make one point in Roberts defence. He was open in making his
>> request to join Rascar. He could have done it under a false name
>> and no one would have known. I think the fact that he was open and
>> above board suggests he isn't the same person he was many years
>> ago.

> Well, hell. I sat here reading all this stuff (and Pete's message was
> the kicker), and I gotta admit that my decision may have been made a
> bit harsh.

> If you tell Robert to indicate on the RASCAR forum (or here for that
> matter) that he still wants to race with us, I'll go ahead and
> approve his application.

> I hereby officially apologize to Robert for assuming the worst
> without actually experiencing it. I hope there's no hard feelings on
> his end, and that he understands where I was coming from on the
> initial refusal.

Man, make up your mind :)

I would have to agree with Pete's comment about him being open and not
trying to hide under another name .

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