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Blast From The Past

Jan Verschuere

Blast From The Past

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:20:52

Don't worry, mr. Bradley. Mr. Pabst is not attending any RASCAR races or
functions.

Jan.
=---

ymenar

Blast From The Past

by ymenar » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:10:53


> PS:  I liked your "ding - ding - ding" post, by the way.  I figured it
would
> make your week to get Greg and I going at it again here on r.a.s.  This
> place has been kind of quiet and docile for you lately, huh?

<ding ding ding>

;-D

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Pete

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by Pete » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:44:59

    You know I find it interesting and amusing when the stories start going
around
about Robert Huggins. It seems the further we get from the events the bigger
the
tales get.
    I can guarantee there is no one this NG that knows the full story
including Robert
himself.
    How do I know?
    Well I was directly involved with a couple of Papy people at the time of
Roberts
indiscretions so I know what happened on their end.
    Robert confided to me what happened at the time from his perspective and
confirmed my involvement.
    I was the one who asked Robert Huggins to join us at BHMS, we wanted his
programming skills
which he freely gave to write utilities that were given out to the racing
community.
    Although, I haven't spoke with him recently. I still do get the odd
email.

    I'm not going to go into what did and didn't happen but lets just say
there are
always two sides to a story. But a lot of half truths and innuendo doesn't
make something
fact.
    I will say this much though, Robert made mistakes and he paid for them
and is still paying
for them. Papyrus made mistakes and they paid for them as well.
    I will make one point in Roberts defence. He was open in making his
request to join Rascar.
He could have done it under a false name and no one would have known. I
think the fact
that he was open and above board suggests he isn't the same person he was
many years
ago.
    I will also tell you he has developed into one of the best racers around
without the need to
cheat. Although I'm sure he will be accussed of such untill the day he dies.

    Hopefully, if my health improves I will be able to make a few races in
Rascar myself.

    Pete

John Simmon

Blast From The Past

by John Simmon » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:14:00



Actually, we refused Wilshe's application too.

John Simmon

Blast From The Past

by John Simmon » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:16:10



Well, until someone involved in the entire thing can provide concrete
proof that he didn't cheat, the "heresay" stands as the best version
of the facts to which I have access.

John Simmon

Blast From The Past

by John Simmon » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:18:41



Tom doesn't like o race with us. :)

Goy Larse

Blast From The Past

by Goy Larse » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:23:23

Even Voodoo4 got a break.....

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Tim

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by Tim » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:25:03

N2003, the way I understand it, is the first version that moves the data around in memory.  Eric B. has stated several times they
are not aware of any methods used in the past that work with this model.

Everyone always said moving the code around randomly, on the fly, was the simplest way to negate a standard tsr that knew where to
look.  Every hack I ever heard of used that logic.  But can someone hack into N2003? Sure.  I just don't think it's as common as it
has been.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


> N2003 is very easily hacked. You just need one program to increase grip, give you fresh tyres anytime, repair damage at a
keystroke.

Tim

Blast From The Past

by Tim » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:28:33

rofl

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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


> I somewhat  agree and Rascar could solve a bigger problem by banning Tom
> Pabst.  Seriously,  Tom Pabst will do more damage to a league then Huggins
> ever would!   It has been proven!



> > I raced RHuggins online on Hawaii and he surely had something funny going
> on
> > (cant remember what exactly but nitrous gives a hint g) but he said so
> much
> > when I chatted with him after the race.  Something along the lines of
> > "testing the system for Papy".

> > So long ago can't remember all the details but I always felt he was an
> > honorable sort of guy, at least he came right out and said as much.
> > Cheating is so pakaged now anyone could do it if they wanted.  I would say
> > give him a chance as we do anyone.  Im kinda curious the arbitrary banning
> > based on heresay in Rascar.

> > Mitch




> > > > Huggins was cheating waaay before TEN. And you, Tom not only were
> > > > you NOT on Hawaii but you didn't show up on TEN until some
> > > > time after it was running.

> > > <ding ding ding>

> > > >   Banned arbitrarily? He agreed to the rules when signing up for TEN.

> > > <ding ding ding>

> > > >    This your annual attempt at re-writing sim history?

> > > <ding ding ding>

Pete

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by Pete » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:29:44

    Papy gave lots of breaks to others.

    Pete



> Even Voodoo4 got a break.....

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

Tim

Blast From The Past

by Tim » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:41:45

wow

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

Goy Larse

Blast From The Past

by Goy Larse » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:46:37


>     Papy gave lots of breaks to others.

Don't know about that, but what I was talking about, even Voodoo4 (yes I
know who he is) got a break by most of the guys he raced with back then
and who are still racing today, he got a 2nd chance

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Edgecrushe

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by Edgecrushe » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:49:33

One program does it, the ram cheat, Ive seen a guy who cant drive do 200+ laps at Texas without ever lifting.

A couple of weeks ago Eric said he wasnt aware any cheat existed so they havent been researching too *** the subject.

--

Steve

"In the old days, the Irish used to blow up our pubs, now they refit them tastefully"

The Pub Landlord.


> N2003, the way I understand it, is the first version that moves the data around in memory.  Eric B. has stated several times they
> are not aware of any methods used in the past that work with this model.

> Everyone always said moving the code around randomly, on the fly, was the simplest way to negate a standard tsr that knew where to
> look.  Every hack I ever heard of used that logic.  But can someone hack into N2003? Sure.  I just don't think it's as common as
it
> has been.

> --
> Tim White
> www.intracmotorsports.com


> > N2003 is very easily hacked. You just need one program to increase grip, give you fresh tyres anytime, repair damage at a
> keystroke.

Gerry Aitke

Blast From The Past

by Gerry Aitke » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:14:24




>>"Tim" wrote...

>>>John, I don't see how you can honestly refuse
>>>a guy to race in RASCAR based on so much
>>>hearsay and innuendo, especially when it
>>>comes to Robert.

>>I can sympatise with both viewpoints, but, in view of the nature of RASCAR
>>racing, I'd go with innocent until proven guilty, i.e. proven to have
>>cheated or otherwise misbehaved in a RASCAR race, before going to lenght of
>>excluding someone. One doesn't have to like a person to race him.

>>Then again, one more guy blowing my doors off doesn't hurt my pride nearly
>>as much as it does the contenders'. <g>

> Well, until someone involved in the entire thing can provide concrete
> proof that he didn't cheat, the "heresay" stands as the best version
> of the facts to which I have access.

So he is banned for life until the above happens? Or is there a 'term'
that he must serve?
gddd

Blast From The Past

by gddd » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:16:39

You said it all right here... And as it should be for anyone caught
cheating.


      I will say this much though, Robert made mistakes and he paid for them


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