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WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

JM

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by JM » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 04:20:17


So, for example, if I objected to National Westminster Bank's involvement in
financing animal testing laboratories, then I would be morally wrong, as a
concerned consumer, to not use their e-banking service?

(for the record I don't have such objections).

There are, in my opinion, a hundred other reasons to boycott anything that
Fox has had their fingers in, than the acquisition and brand shifting of a
sports news channel.

Boycotting all products of a parent company is the only way to make your
power as a consumer felt.  Many international companies "hide" behind the
activities of subsidiaries, by keeping them at arms length, as it were-
they're happy to rake in the cash, but are nervous of direct association.

It's Jan's money, neither you, not Fox have got any damn right to tell him
what he can and can't do with it.  He has no power other than his influence
with other people who sympathise with him, and the cash in his wallet.

If enough people acted that way, there would be less "maximum profit at any
cost" behaviour in business, and more "acceptable and sustainable medium and
long term profit with more beneficial public perception".

have fun in three years when the only motorsports available is NASCAR on TV.

cheers
John

Eddie Petti

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by Eddie Petti » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 04:41:45

What incentive would anyone have to invent something if they couldn't make
money from it?  Why shouldn't the guy that put all the time into the
patented item get paid for it?  Why shouldn't a company that allowed
somebody the resources that get put into a patented item expect to make lots
of money from it?  People don't invent things for the good of man despite
what you'd like to think...  If you take all incentive away, you'll see the
money put into research going elsewhere.

You still haven't stated how much of your wealth you give to Africa.

Thanks.


> You're not letting them die, your killing them yourself. that are dieing
on
> the act of others... and if they try to do anything about it, that's bad
> because they're going to hurt someone's intellectual property rights.

> As for the guy who sold the rights, my point is why does a company deserve
> the rights just because they can afford them?





> > > Intelectual property, shouldn't that belong to the guy with the actual
> > > intelect... No it's just a patent on an idea they basically baught
from
> > > someone else.

> > Well, if the person that thought of the patented item sold their rights
to
> > it...  I don't get your point.  What does it matter how the rights were
> > acquired?

> > > Lets let all those people in Africa die.... Did you know eddie, that
> > people
> > > are actually dieing? Have you really considered the people that are
> > actually
> > > really dieing? Would you feel the same if it were happening to all
your
> > > friends in america? How much would patents matter to you if your best
> > freind
> > > were about to die?

> > I'm a cruel man.  I'm sorry, I just know that some people are destined
to
> > die, you can't save everyone.  If someone really wanted to help those
> > people, they would just steal the patent, they do it all the time for
> movies
> > and what not in China, but you see, there's no money in it.  You are
> welcome
> > to take all your money and send it to those people in Africa.  How much
> have
> > you sent to this point?  None?  5%?

> > > Sure the current reality is that more or les money talks in America,
but
> > to
> > > say that this is just awesome, and kicks as it indeed the
dreamworld...

> > > as for Russia, yeah Capitalism is really kicking ass there...

> > Capitalism kicked Socialisms ass.  If Russia persists they'll get it
> > working.

> > Thanks.

Eddie Petti

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by Eddie Petti » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 04:45:37


Yes, FOX gets to do what they want with their news, who's to tell them
otherwise?  The gov't tells them what to report?  The Producer of the news
typically decides what's important.

Agreed, thanks.

Kai Fulle

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by Kai Fulle » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:33:33

Here's one ymenard should like if he's reading this still :)

"If money's all you care about then that's what you'll get"

FWIW none of the good stuff got invented for profit, they were stumbled upon
accidentally. And who says all these important inventions are more important
than people living happy lives?

So what if the internet never gets invented, who gives a damn, if we never
knew we were missing it, if that ,meant everyone was being taken care of.

What company do you work for btw.?

and what have I done for Africa lately? Well since I don't own a corporation
I can't do that much economically, but I have voted for people who won't
overtly***them over as much as the other guy, and I'm not withholding
anything that could help them.


> What incentive would anyone have to invent something if they couldn't make
> money from it?  Why shouldn't the guy that put all the time into the
> patented item get paid for it?  Why shouldn't a company that allowed
> somebody the resources that get put into a patented item expect to make
lots
> of money from it?  People don't invent things for the good of man despite
> what you'd like to think...  If you take all incentive away, you'll see
the
> money put into research going elsewhere.

> You still haven't stated how much of your wealth you give to Africa.

> Thanks.



> > You're not letting them die, your killing them yourself. that are dieing
> on
> > the act of others... and if they try to do anything about it, that's bad
> > because they're going to hurt someone's intellectual property rights.

> > As for the guy who sold the rights, my point is why does a company
deserve
> > the rights just because they can afford them?





> > > > Intelectual property, shouldn't that belong to the guy with the
actual
> > > > intelect... No it's just a patent on an idea they basically baught
> from
> > > > someone else.

> > > Well, if the person that thought of the patented item sold their
rights
> to
> > > it...  I don't get your point.  What does it matter how the rights
were
> > > acquired?

> > > > Lets let all those people in Africa die.... Did you know eddie, that
> > > people
> > > > are actually dieing? Have you really considered the people that are
> > > actually
> > > > really dieing? Would you feel the same if it were happening to all
> your
> > > > friends in america? How much would patents matter to you if your
best
> > > freind
> > > > were about to die?

> > > I'm a cruel man.  I'm sorry, I just know that some people are destined
> to
> > > die, you can't save everyone.  If someone really wanted to help those
> > > people, they would just steal the patent, they do it all the time for
> > movies
> > > and what not in China, but you see, there's no money in it.  You are
> > welcome
> > > to take all your money and send it to those people in Africa.  How
much
> > have
> > > you sent to this point?  None?  5%?

> > > > Sure the current reality is that more or les money talks in America,
> but
> > > to
> > > > say that this is just awesome, and kicks as it indeed the
> dreamworld...

> > > > as for Russia, yeah Capitalism is really kicking ass there...

> > > Capitalism kicked Socialisms ass.  If Russia persists they'll get it
> > > working.

> > > Thanks.

Scott B. Huste

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:06:41

Eddie,

Please forgive Frank... he just 'aint right'   Let's just say his favorite
color is 'red'  ;)

LOL

--
Scott B. Husted
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http://www.Husted.cc


> Well, I don't know about you, but I grew up in a poor family and we have
> worked our way up to owning our own business.  If I wanted to sell it and
> some people came along and talked about boycotting in an attempt to ruin
> said sale or in an attempt to threaten my living, I'd certainly be upset.

> As for learning with age, I'm over halfway through my life expectancy now
> and believe I know how things work.  Everything revolves around the mighty
> $, if you don't think so, I simply suggest you look around.  Generally,
> people only do things for money, take charities for example, did you know
> that organizations like the FOP, United Way, etc, spend less than 40% of
> their donations to actually help people or do what they say they will?
Most
> are far less.

> FTR, I have been involved with Fortune 500 companies and have seen all
sides
> of the corporate coin.  The large corporations are out of control, I
prefer
> operating a small family run business where you can actually provide
> customer support and be proud of the product that you provide

> Thanks.




> > > Wow, it's stupid to think that Speedvision exists to make money?

> > You must be one of those corporate spoiled brat, my son... You will
learn
> > with age to enjoy the small time left before you die, like everybody.

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- May the Downforce be with you...
> > -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Scott B. Huste

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by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:10:06

Umm.. actually.  I could do without the F1 events.   I see enough parades on
Thanksgiving and Christmas  ;P

<slips into flame retardent suit>

--
Scott B. Husted
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http://www.Husted.cc



negative...I thought most

- Show quoted text -

Scott B. Huste

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by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:11:48

Hee-Haw?  Hmm...  Well I guess you would be the guy to go to for a show that
has a jack-ass at the beginning of it.  (or the "end" of it).

--
Scott B. Husted
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http://www.Husted.cc





> > Looks like you might be buying your own cable station soon to give you
the
> > viewing you desire.  ;-)

> > I love it when a guy/company wants to take something they own and change
> it
> > to their liking people fly off the handle like they don't have the right
> to
> > do so.  I just can't understand that thinking.  You probably don't even
> > watch NASCAR so you aren't one of the 41M households to which they are
> > catering.

> > Thanks.

> 41 million? You might be way off on your numbers.
> http://www.sportsline.com/u/wire/stories/0,1169,3621187_6,00.html
> Besides, I think we already have a NASCAR channel. It's the same one that
> shows Hee-Haw.

> David G Fisher

Thom j

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by Thom j » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:09:57

Amazing "Eddie Pettit" about 24 posts in 24hrs!! And you say you own
your own business? Who does the work? Your so called "employees in
the trenches are easily replaceable"?
Just amazing Thom_j. :-)
Scott B. Huste

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by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:13:32

Actually...  it doesn't mean a damn thing if you, I, or anyone else in here
turns it on or off unless we have a ratings box hooked up to our TV.

<VBG>

--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.Husted.cc



> > You want to keep SV the channel that it is?  Buy it.  If you can buy it
> you
> > can program as you see fit.  That's my point.  Sure, current viewers can
> > complain and they should, but threatening boycotts...

> Uhhhh, TV is a medium for the viewers primarily.  Ratings decide, only
that.
> Advertising is directly related to the ratings.  If I don't watch SV
> anymore, is the way a simple viewer shows it's disagreement with the
> business decision a channel may take.

> You are defending a dead horse.  It's almost close to DGF's level.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Scott B. Huste

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by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:14:10

Like there is a usenet group that you don't troll!!    =P

--
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http://www.Husted.cc



> > You can have your opinion and express it and I can have mine and express
> it.
> > If you expect me not express views that don't agree with you, then I
> suggest
> > that you filter my posts.

> And if you aren't satisfied by your current Usenet experience, you can
> always start one by yourself <snickers>

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:28:27

It shows Dukes of Hazzard a lot too.

DGF



> Hee-Haw?  Hmm...  Well I guess you would be the guy to go to for a show
that
> has a jack-ass at the beginning of it.  (or the "end" of it).

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> ICQ# 4395450
> http://www.Husted.cc





> > > Looks like you might be buying your own cable station soon to give you
> the
> > > viewing you desire.  ;-)

> > > I love it when a guy/company wants to take something they own and
change
> > it
> > > to their liking people fly off the handle like they don't have the
right
> > to
> > > do so.  I just can't understand that thinking.  You probably don't
even
> > > watch NASCAR so you aren't one of the 41M households to which they are
> > > catering.

> > > Thanks.

> > 41 million? You might be way off on your numbers.
> > http://www.sportsline.com/u/wire/stories/0,1169,3621187_6,00.html
> > Besides, I think we already have a NASCAR channel. It's the same one
that
> > shows Hee-Haw.

> > David G Fisher

Eddie Petti

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Eddie Petti » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:17:18

Well, let me see.  This could get complicated, I posted 24 times in 24
hours.  I can't imagine reading the posts and replying taking any longer
than 2 minutes per post.  So in a 24 hour period, I've wasted less than an
hour.  Hm.  If it's any consolation, I didn't take lunch today or my morning
or afternoon break.  Additionally I started at 8:15 even though my official
start time is 9:00.  I closed at 5:00 yet answered the phones at least 4
additional times.  I did stop to eat, that took about an hour.  And I have
about an hours worth of worth to complete, assuming that I actually do it
today.  I think I can afford to waste that 1 hour as I see fit.  Oh,
tomorrow I coach T-ball between 6 and 7, that'll cut into my work time...

As you can see above, most management is far more responsible for the work
or company succeeding than most front line people understand.  Their day
doesn't just begin at a certain time and end at another, it's ongoing, and
in most cases they are on salary, so they don't even get anything beyond
their basic rate other than a bonus if they are lucky...

Thanks.


Eddie Petti

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Eddie Petti » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:20:08

Oh, so you've basically done nothing for Africa, no donations, no working at
a mission, nothing...  Why don't you take some of your profits, we all have
them individuals and corporations, and send it to Africa.  If you did it
maybe everyone else would do it and you could make a difference.  Until then
quit advocating the theft of intellectual property for the good of man
because you won't even donate 5% of your profit for the good of man...

Thanks.

Eddie Petti

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Eddie Petti » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:21:17

Heh.  That's a good one.

Thanks.



> Umm.. actually.  I could do without the F1 events.   I see enough parades
on
> Thanksgiving and Christmas  ;P

> <slips into flame retardent suit>

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> ICQ# 4395450
> http://www.Husted.cc





> > > They're not going to show 24 hours of Nascar. They're going to keep F1
> and
> > > many of the other types of racing that are shown. What they will get
rid
> of,
> > > I hope, are the boat races, the 6 hours straight of motorbikes, and
the
> > > infomercials :-)

> > > I would much rather see other races that are sanctioned by Nascar (my
> local
> > > dirt track happens to be one of many) then those types of programs.
This
> may
> > > not appeal to you, but to the majority I think it would be welcomed.
And
> the
> > > majority is all the really counts when dollars are involved.

> > Doug, I don't watch those either, but let me give you several examples
of
> direct competition
> > against NASCAR-sanctioned events.

> > American LeMans Series.  As a road racing series, it competes directly
> against NASCAR's
> > Grand American.  Granted, ALMS is more factory prototypes than GA, but I
> rather doubt they
> > would show ALMS events on a NASCAR-sanctioned channel.

> > Trans Am.  Several Trans Am events run exactly at the same time as
> NASCAR-events.
> > Either they will (A tape-delay it and show it later, or B) not show it
at
> all.  And what if
> > T/A starts to gain ground on viewer audience?

> > 24 hours of LeMans.  Several NASCAR shows coincide directly with this
> program.
> > A BGN race, as well as qualifying and practice for the WC event.  Do you
> think they
> > will show the 24 hours of Le Mans vs these events?  What did I watch?
The
> BGN
> > race during that part of the day...but I'm sure many were tuned into the
> 24 hours..and
> > I certainly DIDN'T watch qual or practice in favor of LeMans...

> > F1.  Several Formula 1 events coincide with NASCAR events, mostly the
ones
> over
> > on this hemisphere, of course.  F1 or NASCAR on NASCAR-vision?

> > I'm rather astounded that the two responses thus far have been
> negative...I thought most
> > people on RAS were rather open about all forms of racing, but maybe I
was
> wrong.
> > Or, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough...I'm not opposed to a
NASCAR
> channel,
> > I'm opposed to turning **Speedvision** into a NASCAR channel.

> > Cheers!

> > --
> > ?? Jan Kohl ??
> > SECURITY CONSULTANT
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Thom j

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Thom j » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:02:16

Things that make you say Hmmm? again.. DGF seems to know too much
about Hee-Haw & the Dukes of Hazzard .. Hmmmm?

| It shows Dukes of Hazzard a lot too.
| DGF


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