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Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:22:49




> > Without the product they produce, there'd be nothing to make a profit
> > ON.  Where is upper management's value-add on the product?

> The employees in the trenches are easily replaceable...  Good upper
> management is hard to come by, just look at the dot-com world to see this.

Still didn't tell me where upper management's value-add on the end
product is.

No.  We should just let people die right?  Hope you or yours never needs
help from others when/if you are ever down.

Already told you a system that is "right" doesn't exist.  Doesn't mean I
look the other way when I see wrongdoing.

They had a terribly flawed system as well.  Good riddance to it.  I
agree we must agree to disagree.

Take care.

--

Fester

Michael G. Lower

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by Michael G. Lower » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:23:55


> It's the call for boycotting that I'm against...

> If there's a market for the other forms of racing, they will survive.

> It's all about money.

> Thanks.

Eddie,
    The thing that I don't understand about your mantra here is that what Jan
proposes IS how the market system is supposed to work. Jan is a consumer, he is
disapproving of how someone is doing business, he is making it clear to them
that his money spends elsewhere, and he is asking like-minded people to do the
same. How else are we to flex our muscle?

Michael Lowery

ymenar

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by ymenar » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:26:13


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Eddie Petti

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by Eddie Petti » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:41:21

Where does it say in my post that I can't stand the heat?  I suggested that
if you didn't want to hear my views that you filter me from your reader.

I sent the below message in response to your post:

You should try to include the complete message to which you're replying
unless of course it was your attempt to deceive people into believing that I
somehow was backing down and away...

Thanks.



> > You can have your opinion and express it and I can have mine and express
> it.
> > If you expect me not express views that don't agree with you, then I
> suggest
> > that you filter my posts.

> Welcome to the Usenet my boy. If you can't stand the heat, you know what
to
> do...

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Eddie Petti

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by Eddie Petti » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:45:13

Sorry to bring it back up, but you said I left something unanswered so I'll
attempt to answer it...





> > > Without the product they produce, there'd be nothing to make a profit
> > > ON.  Where is upper management's value-add on the product?

> > The employees in the trenches are easily replaceable...  Good upper
> > management is hard to come by, just look at the dot-com world to see
this.

> Still didn't tell me where upper management's value-add on the end
> product is.

The upper management made the decisions that allowed the front line people
to do their jobs and produce such a fine product, you don't thing the
average idiot front line worker could produce it or decide anything on their
own do you?

Some people are just meant to die.  You can't save everyone...  And I do
really believe that.  I don't expect help from others to care for my family.
We care for ourselves and have insurance for catastrophic needs.

Eddie Petti

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by Eddie Petti » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:46:30

Eh, I'm not certain, I just don't like the thought of boycotts against other
products that are produced by the same parent company.  Maybe I'm wrong, but
it bothers me in the same manner as union strikes...

Thanks.




> > It's the call for boycotting that I'm against...

> > If there's a market for the other forms of racing, they will survive.

> > It's all about money.

> > Thanks.

> Eddie,
>     The thing that I don't understand about your mantra here is that what
Jan
> proposes IS how the market system is supposed to work. Jan is a consumer,
he is
> disapproving of how someone is doing business, he is making it clear to
them
> that his money spends elsewhere, and he is asking like-minded people to do
the
> same. How else are we to flex our muscle?

> Michael Lowery

Kai Fulle

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by Kai Fulle » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:48:08

that's exactly what I'm saying... Perhaps you need to:

a. read the bill of rights, and realize that the press has a constitutional
responsibility to serve the public.

b. once again the constitution provides the right and the responsibility of
the people to peacefully (ands arguable not so peacefully) assemble to get
what they need and want.

c. Finally and most importantly, the FCC's original charter (or whatever it
was called) stated that for a broadcast outlet to exist and be licensed,
that it MUST serve in good interest of the people.

So at least not inn America (and probably more so in  some European
counties) can a guy do what he wants with a television station just because
he owns it. Not legally, and certainly not morally.


> So you're telling me that a group of people own a channel and can't do
> precisely what they want with it?  Why can't they do whatever the market
> will bear with it?  If they market will support it being the "Beannie Baby
> Channel" and they want to do that, why can't they?  They have no
obligation
> beyond making the shareholders money.

> Does anyone know what the ratings are on non-NASCAR racing?

> Thanks.



> > Has everyone forgotten that the press and the media has an obligation to
> > serve the people?

> > Since when did we all think it's OK for the owners of the media to do
what
> > they want with it... and if people try to say something about it, we're
> > being anti-capitalist ore something.

> > Secondly, since when is some guys right to do what hell he wants with
the
> > media without getting hassled more important than the right of the
people
> to
> > assemble? It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the people to protest and boycott
if
> > they aren't getting what they want from the media.

> > Frankly Eddie, if your favorite form of racing were F1 and sports cars,
> you
> > wouldn't feel quite the same, so what the hell are you talking about?

> > FWIW, NASCAR has been my favorite form of racing for at least a decade,
> but
> > I get enough of that on all the other channels, is there really 24 hours
> > worth of info about nascar, without a bunch of repeats?



> > > You correct that I knew nothing about you.

> > > I agree with you in basic principle, you have a right to cancel your
> > > subscription to Speedvision.  It's the threat of boycott against FOX,
> > NASCAR
> > > and god only knows who else that I'm against.

> > > FWIW:  I really only have time to watch NASCAR these days, so I'm not
> > > certain how I feel about this.  However, I will add that if the market
> > > desires such a channel it's certain to be back.

> > > Thanks.





> > > > > Looks like you might be buying your own cable station soon to give
> you
> > > the
> > > > > viewing you desire.  ;-)

> > > > > I love it when a guy/company wants to take something they own and
> > change
> > > it
> > > > > to their liking people fly off the handle like they don't have the
> > right
> > > to
> > > > > do so.  I just can't understand that thinking.  You probably don't
> > even
> > > > > watch NASCAR so you aren't one of the 41M households to which they
> are
> > > > > catering.

> > > > Eddie, obviously speaking from the point of knowing nothing about
me,

> > > > I've been a NASCAR fan since 1970.  I have watched almost every
NASCAR
> > > race
> > > > for the past 8 years.  I like watching NASCAR Racing.  So, point one
> on
> > > your end...gone.

> > > > Speedvision is NOT NASCAR-vision. Now I'll make an assumption about
> > > you...do YOU
> > > > watch any other form of racing?  If not, all I'll say is...figures.

> > > > If you do, you would realize that whether or not they own the
station
> > has
> > > nothing to do with
> > > > what viewers want to see.  I bought and paid good money for the
extra
> > > package that has
> > > > Speedvision, I'll be darned if I sit quietly by and let them change
it
> > > into NASCAR-vision.

> > > > --
> > > > ?? Jan Kohl ??
> > > > SECURITY CONSULTANT
> > > > The Pits -  http://www.theuspits.com
> > > > Castle  Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

Tim Mise

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by Tim Mise » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:57:38

It's the end of the world as we know it....and I feel fine!
Kai Fulle

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by Kai Fulle » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:04:11

Intelectual property, shouldn't that belong to the guy with the actual
intelect... No it's just a patent on an idea they basically baught from
someone else.

Lets let all those people in Africa die.... Did you know eddie, that people
are actually dieing? Have you really considered the people that are actually
really dieing? Would you feel the same if it were happening to all your
friends in america? How much would patents matter to you if your best freind
were about to die?

Sure the current reality is that more or les money talks in America, but to
say that this is just awesome, and kicks as it indeed the dreamworld...

as for Russia, yeah Capitalism is really kicking ass there...

Kai Fuller of the USA (For President)

Eddie Petti

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by Eddie Petti » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:20:17


Well, if the person that thought of the patented item sold their rights to
it...  I don't get your point.  What does it matter how the rights were
acquired?

I'm a cruel man.  I'm sorry, I just know that some people are destined to
die, you can't save everyone.  If someone really wanted to help those
people, they would just steal the patent, they do it all the time for movies
and what not in China, but you see, there's no money in it.  You are welcome
to take all your money and send it to those people in Africa.  How much have
you sent to this point?  None?  5%?

Capitalism kicked Socialisms ass.  If Russia persists they'll get it
working.

Thanks.

Kai Fulle

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by Kai Fulle » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:57:23

Not as important of a press, but they are sports news, it's not the same
thing as make believe entertainment. They are sports press, just like the
sports page in your paper. They are reporting on entertiament, not
entertaining. Freinds entertains, Entertainment tonight reports on it.

Also does FOX get to do what they want with FOX news? Or is that somehow
differant? Who decides which news is important?

doesn't makle it ok that it happens, and doesn't mean we don't have the
right. All you've stated is that the governemnt is infringing on our rights.
Therefore it is our responsibility to resecure thjose freedoms.

Well for one thing, pay per veiw and premium exist under slightly differant
circumstances, since you have to specifically request those chanels. None
the less, if people want to protest ***, or right wing religous programing,
good for them. It seems to me that it's your perspective that all us poor
people are picking on them defensless rich people becasue we're jealous.

If you think it's outdated that the media should actually have to serve the
people, then there's nothing I can say to that,except that I disrespectfully
disagree.

Depends on the politicaql s;lant of the ciureent government and more
importantlythe supreme court.

But we also have the right and responibility to boycott... And there is
nothing wrong with the people to organise to get what they want.

Kai Fulle

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by Kai Fulle » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:58:19

yeah DAMN unions.They should be happy to get what we give em!


> Eh, I'm not certain, I just don't like the thought of boycotts against
other
> products that are produced by the same parent company.  Maybe I'm wrong,
but
> it bothers me in the same manner as union strikes...

> Thanks.




> > > It's the call for boycotting that I'm against...

> > > If there's a market for the other forms of racing, they will survive.

> > > It's all about money.

> > > Thanks.

> > Eddie,
> >     The thing that I don't understand about your mantra here is that
what
> Jan
> > proposes IS how the market system is supposed to work. Jan is a
consumer,
> he is
> > disapproving of how someone is doing business, he is making it clear to
> them
> > that his money spends elsewhere, and he is asking like-minded people to
do
> the
> > same. How else are we to flex our muscle?

> > Michael Lowery

Kai Fulle

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by Kai Fulle » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 04:01:08

You're not letting them die, your killing them yourself. that are dieing on
the act of others... and if they try to do anything about it, that's bad
because they're going to hurt someone's intellectual property rights.

As for the guy who sold the rights, my point is why does a company deserve
the rights just because they can afford them?




> > Intelectual property, shouldn't that belong to the guy with the actual
> > intelect... No it's just a patent on an idea they basically baught from
> > someone else.

> Well, if the person that thought of the patented item sold their rights to
> it...  I don't get your point.  What does it matter how the rights were
> acquired?

> > Lets let all those people in Africa die.... Did you know eddie, that
> people
> > are actually dieing? Have you really considered the people that are
> actually
> > really dieing? Would you feel the same if it were happening to all your
> > friends in america? How much would patents matter to you if your best
> freind
> > were about to die?

> I'm a cruel man.  I'm sorry, I just know that some people are destined to
> die, you can't save everyone.  If someone really wanted to help those
> people, they would just steal the patent, they do it all the time for
movies
> and what not in China, but you see, there's no money in it.  You are
welcome
> to take all your money and send it to those people in Africa.  How much
have
> you sent to this point?  None?  5%?

> > Sure the current reality is that more or les money talks in America, but
> to
> > say that this is just awesome, and kicks as it indeed the dreamworld...

> > as for Russia, yeah Capitalism is really kicking ass there...

> Capitalism kicked Socialisms ass.  If Russia persists they'll get it
> working.

> Thanks.

JM

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by JM » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 04:12:43




> > a. read the bill of rights, and realize that the press has a
> constitutional
> > responsibility to serve the public.

> The press?!  Speedvision is not the press.  It's an entertainment channel.
> The press, sheesh...

Factual reporting of sporting events is just "entertainment"? I mean I
realise it's not current affairs or who's nobbing who in the oval office,
but it's still factual broadcasting.

Christ, most of the newspapers in the UK are basically "entertainment",
they're certainly short of facts, so in my perspective, eg, Eurosport is
more like the press than the newspapers, or most "news" programmes.

cheers
John


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