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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-The best and most effective method of complaining is with your wallet. +ADw-br+AD4- If SV becomes the NASCAR channel, I will cancel my subscription at +ADw-br+AD4- once. I purchased a whole channel package from Dish Network JUST to +ADw-br+AD4- get Speedvision. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +ADw-br+AD4- Todd Walker +ADw-br+AD4- http://www.racesimcentral.net/ +ADw-br+AD4- Nikon Coolpix 950 +ADw-br+AD4- http://www.racesimcentral.net/+ADw-br+AD4- DIGITAL CAMERA REVIEW SITES: +ADw-br+AD4- http://www.racesimcentral.net/ +ADw-br+AD4- http://www.racesimcentral.net/ +ADw-br+AD4- http://www.racesimcentral.net/ +ADw-br+AD4- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:47:47 -0400, +ACY-quot+ADs-Eddie Pettit+ACY-quot+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-You want to keep SV the channel that it is? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Buy it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you can buy it you +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-can program as you see fit. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-That's my point. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Sure, current viewers can +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-complain and they should, but threatening boycotts... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Well, NASCAR was on FX, which is certainly limited distribution, and they +ADw-br+AD4- claimed ratings higher than ever... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thanks. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- Does anyone know what the ratings are on non-NASCAR racing? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Sorry, I don't. But won't the NASCAR race ratings be lower if they +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- move them to a limited distribution network like Speedvision? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Let's start our own RASvision+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- We could show replays of the best GPL races of the week, and throw +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- in DGF rants (a la DML) here and there to balance things out. :) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Wow, it's stupid to think that Speedvision exists to make money? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-That's +ADw-br+AD4- what your saying? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It exists out of the goodness of someone's heart? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you +ADw-br+AD4- believe all that nonsense they try to sell you about how it's dedicated to +ADw-br+AD4- racing, I feel for you. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Everything is dedicated to the mighty dollar. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I +ADw-br+AD4- never stated that people that liked other forms of racing other than NASCAR +ADw-br+AD4- were inferior. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I don't even know where you got that idea. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-The majority of your post is helping to prove my point, if no one cares +ADw-br+AD4- about that type of racing, by your own admission, why dedicate an entire +ADw-br+AD4- channel to it? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Everything is about dollars and sense. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If they think they +ADw-br+AD4- can make more money selling SV to FOX/NASCAR, they'd be fools not to and +ADw-br+AD4- have a responsibility to the partners of Speedvision Network LLC to earn +ADw-br+AD4- them money. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I still think that if the audience is there FOX SportsNet will pickup the +ADw-br+AD4- other racing if it's not shown on SV. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-BTW, I can respect Jan and disagree with him at the same time. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-We have +ADw-br+AD4- different views that's all. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thanks. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- So you're telling me that a group of people own a channel and can't do +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- precisely what they want with it? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Oh they can do whatever they want to do. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-And I can do whatever I want to do +ADw-br+AD4- also, and that very much include NOT watching their pro-NASCAR channel if it +ADw-br+AD4- ever becomes that. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Motorsport does not start and end with the word +ACY-quot+ADs-Stock-car+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- -- Fran?ois Mnard +ACY-lt+ADs-ymenard+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- -- May the Downforce be with you... +ADw-br+AD4- -- http://www.ymenard.com/ +ADw-br+AD4- -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez +ADw-br+AD4- Corporation - helping America into the New World... +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- You want to keep SV the channel that it is? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Buy it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you can buy it you +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- can program as you see fit. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-That's my point. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Sure, current viewers can +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- complain and they should, but threatening boycotts... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Boycotts are as American as apple pie and special interest groups do it +ADw-br+AD4- all the time. Remember the christian groups that boycotted Disney Corp? +ADw-br+AD4- How about the gay and lesbien groups boycotting Dr. Laura's syndicated +ADw-br+AD4- TV show. I'm not saying any group is right or wrong initiating a +ADw-br+AD4- boycott, but they do tend to get results. MTCW. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Gary +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- You want to keep SV the channel that it is? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Buy it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you can buy it +ADw-br+AD4- you +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- can program as you see fit. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-That's my point. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Sure, current viewers can +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- complain and they should, but threatening boycotts... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Uhhhh, TV is a medium for the viewers primarily. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Ratings decide, only that. +ADw-br+AD4- Advertising is directly related to the ratings. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If I don't watch SV +ADw-br+AD4- anymore, is the way a simple viewer shows it's disagreement with the +ADw-br+AD4- business decision a channel may take. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-You are defending a dead horse. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It's almost close to DGF's level. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- -- Fran?ois Mnard +ACY-lt+ADs-ymenard+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- -- May the Downforce be with you... +ADw-br+AD4- -- http://www.ymenard.com/ +ADw-br+AD4- -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez +ADw-br+AD4- Corporation - helping America into the New World... +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- ------------------------------------------------------ +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Please forward this to Fox/NASCAR executives: +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- quote from C+ACoAKgAq-te Business Journal: +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-quot+ADs-The idea for a NASCAR network began two years ago, when the stock-car sanctioning body completed a +ACQ-2.8 billion +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- broadcast contract with Fox and NBC/Turner. That deal began this year. With viewership at an all-time high, Fox and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- NASCAR executives have again turned their attention to starting a cable channel. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The plan is to convert Speedvision, an +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- existing cable network reaching 41 million households, to the NASCAR Channel.+ACY-quot+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Let me give you all a hint. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-You mess with Speedvision, who shows greatly varied racing events besides NASCAR Racing, +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- and I will boycott both FOX and +ACY-quot+ADs-NASCAR-Vision+ACY-quot+ADs-, and ask others to do the same. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-We DON'T want a good racing channel +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- turned into a single race channel, and I'll be damned if I'm going to watch it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'll have the cable package (which I +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- got just BECAUSE of Speedvision) removed. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- You want a NASCAR channel, get your own damn channel. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Don't mess up a good format that shows alot more varied racing +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- than just NASCAR. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-And don't tell me that you'll host other racing events on there...I can bet my bottom dollar that +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- ANYTHING that would compete against NASCAR-owned series will be dropped in favor of NASCAR sanctioned events. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Jan Kohl +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Those bastards+ACE- I don't have Speedvision on my cable system, but my +ADw-br+AD4- friend does and I one of my VCR's over there to tape stuff. (The LeMans +ADw-br+AD4- coverage this year was stellar+ACE- I spent the night at my friends house +ADw-br+AD4- just so I could watch. I was so juiced because of driving the track in +ADw-br+AD4- GPL+ACE-) I kinda like the variety of racing that Speedvision offers. I +ADw-br+AD4- guess we can kiss all that goodbye when the good old boys take over. +ADw-br+AD4- I'll have to stop pestering my cable provider to put Speedvision on +ADw-br+AD4- their system. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Isn't there already enough Nascar on TV? I'm not a Nascar +ADw-br+AD4- fan, but I do watch the 2 road races. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Gary +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Well done Sundown+ACE- Thank you. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Dude, why do you think Speedvision exists? It's not about ratings+ADs- hell, +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- A.C. Nielsen doesn't even MESS with Speedvision. When have you seen a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- ratings number for ANYTHING on Speedvision? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- At last check, America loves its oval-track roots, but for you to sit there +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- and think that us road-racing fans are somehow inferior to someone following +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- the NASCAR juggernaut is a bit arrogant, dude... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- I respect the hell out of Jan (BTW I have no idea who he is), but it's all +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- about the way he handles himself. I remember him from The Pits, and I agree +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- with the man, though I would use a different methodology... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Your ratings comment was unnecessary, stupid, and unsensible. Speedvision is +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- carrying the things that get absolutely no press coverage in America +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- whatsoever, and THAT FACT is what made me spend an extra +ACQ-20 to merely get +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- digital cable so I could watch the 24 Hours of Le Mans, or Grand-Am road +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- racing, or Australian V8 Supercars on Motorsports Mundial. The biggest races +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- in endurance racing (Le Mans and Daytona) got a brief mention at +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- rpm.espn.com, which caters to NASCAR, F1, CART, and IRL. The ONLY reason +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Daytona got mention on espn.com is 1) it is raced at the track hosting +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- NASCAR's most prestigious race, and 2) an American car that had on its +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- driving staff a seven-time Winston Cup champion won the race. Do you think +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- they would have covered that race as +ACY-quot+ADs-extensively+ACY-quot+ADs- as they did had Dale +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Earnhardt, Dale Earnhardt Jr., and Kyle Petty not been in that race? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Pity ANYONE who likes other forms of worldwide racing that gets absolutely +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- no television coverage here whatsoever, inclusing the number of people here +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- who don't get digital cable, and hence don't get Speedvision. Hell, AMERICAN +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- motorsports (ASA, ARCA, Hav-A-Tampa, etc.) don't even get press here except +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- right there on Speedvision (and MAYBE TNN). So this whole talk of you saying +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- that +ACY-quot+ADs-Speedvision has the right to do what they want+ACY-quot+ADs- is a bit slanted, +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- dude. If they want a NASCAR Channel on Speedvision, they OWE the viweing +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- public at least an explanation, not us riding on rumors and innuendo all the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- time. If they want to change, they are obligated to say so, so I can have +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- ample time to go to the Cox Cable office and kindly trade in my digital +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- cable box for a regular one... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Kudos, Jan+ACE- I'm behind you, dude+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Sundown +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- LRL Engineering +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Long Live Sports Car GT+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Wow, it's stupid to think that Speedvision exists to make money? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-You must be one of those corporate spoiled brat, my son... You will learn +ADw-br+AD4- with age to enjoy the small time left before you die, like everybody. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- -- Fran?ois Mnard +ACY-lt+ADs-ymenard+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- -- May the Downforce be with you... +ADw-br+AD4- -- http://www.ymenard.com/ +ADw-br+AD4- -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez +ADw-br+AD4- Corporation - helping America into the New World... +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Ditto, Speedvision is fine the way it is.. A seperate Nascar channel would +ADw-br+AD4- be +ADw-br+AD4- great for all the 24hr Nascar fanatics. I watch Nascar alot but I dont want +ADw-br+AD4- to +ADw-br+AD4- lose all the great genres of racing on Speedvision.. Yes even boat +ACY-amp+ADs- even +ADw-br+AD4- the +ADw-br+AD4- goofy riding lawn'mower races...:-) jmo Thom+AF8-j. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+AHw- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHw- This summarize perfectly the situation. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The reason why I like Speedvision +ADw-br+AD4- +AHw- so much is because there's NO Nascar on it. +ADw-br+AD4- +AHw- -- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHw- -- Fran?ois Mnard +ACY-lt+ADs-ymenard+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+AHw- +ACY-gt+ADs- You want a NASCAR channel, get your own damn channel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4---- +ADw-br+AD4- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. +ADw-br+AD4- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). +ADw-br+AD4- Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001 +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Now this is a keeper+ACEAIQ- Haha What a Riot+ACEAIQ- I can see it now with all +ADw-br+AD4- the RASers fighting for the camera spot+ACEAIQ- Phew+ACE-...lol Gee I wonder +ADw-br+AD4- who'd be egomaniacal enuff to want the spotlight on here? Hmmm? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+AHw- Let's start our own RASvision+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHw- We could show replays of the best GPL races of the week, and throw +ADw-br+AD4- +AHw- in DGF rants (a la DML) here and there to balance things out. :) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4---- +ADw-br+AD4- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. +ADw-br+AD4- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). +ADw-br+AD4- Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001 +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-The Lawn'Mower races really sky-rocket the Nielsen rating thru the +ADw-br+AD4- roof on SV+ACEAIQ-. :-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +AHw- When have you seen a ratings number for ANYTHING on +ADw-br+AD4- +AHw- Speedvision? +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-lt+ADs-snipped+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4---- +ADw-br+AD4- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. +ADw-br+AD4- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). +ADw-br+AD4- Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001 +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- So you're telling me that a group of people own a channel and can't do +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- precisely what they want with it? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Oh they can do whatever they want to do. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-And I can do whatever I want to +ADw-br+AD4- do +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- also, and that very much include NOT watching their pro-NASCAR channel if +ADw-br+AD4- it +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- ever becomes that. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Motorsport does not start and end with the word +ACY-quot+ADs-Stock-car+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Maybe someone will buy Eurosport for US cable, or at least the motorsports +ADw-br+AD4- packages, but I'd guess not. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'll just sit back and watch anything +ADw-br+AD4- resembling cultural individuality is the USA being reduced to basketball, +ADw-br+AD4- football, basball and NASCAR. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-After all, other sports make no money so best +ADw-br+AD4- not to ever show them. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Ironically, even though we have the BBC here, which is +ACY-quot+ADs-obligated+ACY-quot+ADs- to show a +ADw-br+AD4- broad range of content, whether massively popular or not, I find the best +ADw-br+AD4- motosports coverage on the commerical network station and cable stations +ADw-br+AD4- ITV, C4, C5 and Eurosport. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm so spoilt for choice I don't even bother +ADw-br+AD4- buying the Sky Sports channels, and I almost never bother to tape Motorsport +ADw-br+AD4- Mundial. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Once in a blue moon the late night +ACY-quot+ADs-men's+ACY-quot+ADs- cable channel shows +ADw-br+AD4- saloon car racing from the '60s. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-God bless America +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-cheers +ADw-br+AD4- John +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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As a consumer, his sole power against that which he objects to, are the +ADw-br+AD4- dollars in his back pocket. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I don't see anything wrong with eg, boycotting +ADw-br+AD4- all Fox channels, material, CDs, videos whatever. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Just as the channel +ADw-br+AD4- owners are fully entitled to make money regardless of any objection, neither +ADw-br+AD4- is it any of their business what a disgruntled ex customer does with their +ADw-br+AD4- hard earned cash. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-When you learn a little about marketing, you'll realise that sometimes the +ADw-br+AD4- most obviously profitable route, in the long run, does more harm than good. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-To say that a media company has more right to make extra money, than a +ADw-br+AD4- consumer has to choose where he spends his, is laughable hypocrisy. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-cheers +ADw-br+AD4- John +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- You want to keep SV the channel that it is? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Buy it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you can buy it +ADw-br+AD4- you +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- can program as you see fit. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-That's my point. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Sure, current viewers can +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- complain and they should, but threatening boycotts... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Boycotts are as American as apple pie and special interest groups do it +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- all the time. Remember the christian groups that boycotted Disney Corp? +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- How about the gay and lesbien groups boycotting Dr. Laura's syndicated +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- TV show. I'm not saying any group is right or wrong initiating a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- boycott, but they do tend to get results. MTCW. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Gary +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Boycotts are the only way to get your opinion heard. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Here's one for you: +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-You can buy our tea, at a grossly inflated price, it's the only tea +ADw-br+AD4- available, and if you don't like it you can get your own damn tea +ADw-br+AD4- plantations. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Oh that's right, you can't. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-remember that one? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-What happened to the American ideal of liberty? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-You wouldn't take this kind of treatment from a democratically elected +ADw-br+AD4- government, but as soon as a private business finds a way to+ACoAKgAq-you for +ADw-br+AD4- more money while giving you less, you roll over and take it? +ADw-br+AD4- There will be people who will have a stark choice- either pay up for +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-quot+ADs-NASCAR+ACY-quot+ADs- branded, reduced value motorsport coverage, or cut off their nose +ADw-br+AD4- to spite their face have no motorsport coverage. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-If speedvision is not +ACo-losing+ACo- money, then betraying the customers who have +ADw-br+AD4- made it successful enough to be WORTH selling to Fox is simple greed. +ADw-br+AD4- If speedvision is losing money, though, then you'll have to say it was nice +ADw-br+AD4- while it lasted, but at least with NASCAR branding, you might get to watch +ADw-br+AD4- something, if not everything you'd like. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Eventually, such rationisation, merger, acquisition and elimnation will +ADw-br+AD4- result in no choice for anyone. +ADw-br+AD4- Then all Americans will be equal, all wearing the same clothes, eating the +ADw-br+AD4- same food, driving the same cars. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-What do I care, I've got motorsports programmes coming out of my ears over +ADw-br+AD4- here. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-cheers +ADw-br+AD4- John +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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