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WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

Jon Van Ginneke

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Jon Van Ginneke » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:46:48

LMAO...rpm2night isn't a news show?  That's about the only racing show on tv
where the commentators don't sugar-coat mistakes made by ANY series.
NASCAR is really starting to outgrow themselves...first it was tracks, and
not it's the attitude they approach problems...hope it is like Sacks says
and it's Fox's problem.

BTW I agree with you Jan, I don't have Speedvision (I have called the cable
company about 10 times trying to get it), but if they make it all the NASCAR
channel I will feel fine retracting my request...besides I would rather
watch ESPN Classic NASCAR races which I've never seen than a bunch of truly
NASCAR "magazine" shows.

Jon


> Check out this article:

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> At the end it talks about a "soft" launch this fall, whatever the hell
that
> means, then in February they go full tilt!

> If the do away with F1, Rally, Road-Racing like ALMS and Grand Am, plus
> Trans AM, the Historic shows like Legends of Motorsports, SV News
Raceweek,
> and all the other diverse coverage and go 100% NAPCAR that would truly be
an
> injustice to Speedvisions core audience, which I would assume, based on
how
> little NAPCAR coverage they do now, is not overly NASCAR "heavy"!

> Perhaps a letter writing campaign to Speedvision would be in order?

> You can send your feedback to them at:


> However.... If, and I hope to GOD your right Doug, that they will simply
do
> away with the boats, planes and infomercials and replace them with NAPCAR
> coverage, leaving the rest of the Auto-Racing programming alone, then I'd
> say terrific!

> Frankly, I don't believe this will be the case... We can only hope that
ESPN
> will pick up F1 coverage, along with World Rally, Road-Racing, and the
> rest... But... I'm not holding my breath!

> Jay J



> > They're not going to show 24 hours of Nascar. They're going to keep F1
and
> > many of the other types of racing that are shown. What they will get rid
> of,
> > I hope, are the boat races, the 6 hours straight of motorbikes, and the
> > infomercials :-)

> > I would much rather see other races that are sanctioned by Nascar (my
> local
> > dirt track happens to be one of many) then those types of programs. This
> may
> > not appeal to you, but to the majority I think it would be welcomed. And
> the
> > majority is all the really counts when dollars are involved.

> > Doug



> > > Looks like you might be buying your own cable station soon to give you
> the
> > > viewing you desire.  ;-)

> > > I love it when a guy/company wants to take something they own and
change
> > it
> > > to their liking people fly off the handle like they don't have the
right
> > to
> > > do so.  I just can't understand that thinking.  You probably don't
even
> > > watch NASCAR so you aren't one of the 41M households to which they are
> > > catering.

> > > Thanks.





> > > > ------------------------------------------------------

> > > > Please forward this to Fox/NASCAR executives:

> > > > quote from C***te Business Journal:
> > > > "The idea for a NASCAR network began two years ago, when the
stock-car
> > > sanctioning body completed a $2.8 billion
> > > > broadcast contract with Fox and NBC/Turner. That deal began this
year.
> > > With viewership at an all-time high, Fox and
> > > > NASCAR executives have again turned their attention to starting a
> cable
> > > channel.  The plan is to convert Speedvision, an
> > > > existing cable network reaching 41 million households, to the NASCAR
> > > Channel."

> > > > Let me give you all a hint.  You mess with Speedvision, who shows
> > greatly
> > > varied racing events besides NASCAR Racing,
> > > > and I will boycott both FOX and "NASCAR-Vision", and ask others to
do
> > the
> > > same.  We DON'T want a good racing channel
> > > > turned into a single race channel, and I'll be damned if I'm going
to
> > > watch it.  I'll have the cable package (which I
> > > > got just BECAUSE of Speedvision) removed.

> > > > You want a NASCAR channel, get your own damn channel.  Don't mess up
a
> > > good format that shows alot more varied racing
> > > > than just NASCAR.  And don't tell me that you'll host other racing
> > events
> > > on there...I can bet my bottom dollar that
> > > > ANYTHING that would compete against NASCAR-owned series will be
> dropped
> > in
> > > favor of NASCAR sanctioned events.

> > > > Jan Kohl

Kai Fulle

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Kai Fulle » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:10:45

Has everyone forgotten that the press and the media has an obligation to
serve the people?

Since when did we all think it's OK for the owners of the media to do what
they want with it... and if people try to say something about it, we're
being anti-capitalist ore something.

Secondly, since when is some guys right to do what hell he wants with the
media without getting hassled more important than the right of the people to
assemble? It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the people to protest and boycott if
they aren't getting what they want from the media.

Frankly Eddie, if your favorite form of racing were F1 and sports cars, you
wouldn't feel quite the same, so what the hell are you talking about?

FWIW, NASCAR has been my favorite form of racing for at least a decade, but
I get enough of that on all the other channels, is there really 24 hours
worth of info about nascar, without a bunch of repeats?


> You correct that I knew nothing about you.

> I agree with you in basic principle, you have a right to cancel your
> subscription to Speedvision.  It's the threat of boycott against FOX,
NASCAR
> and god only knows who else that I'm against.

> FWIW:  I really only have time to watch NASCAR these days, so I'm not
> certain how I feel about this.  However, I will add that if the market
> desires such a channel it's certain to be back.

> Thanks.





> > > Looks like you might be buying your own cable station soon to give you
> the
> > > viewing you desire.  ;-)

> > > I love it when a guy/company wants to take something they own and
change
> it
> > > to their liking people fly off the handle like they don't have the
right
> to
> > > do so.  I just can't understand that thinking.  You probably don't
even
> > > watch NASCAR so you aren't one of the 41M households to which they are
> > > catering.

> > Eddie, obviously speaking from the point of knowing nothing about me,

> > I've been a NASCAR fan since 1970.  I have watched almost every NASCAR
> race
> > for the past 8 years.  I like watching NASCAR Racing.  So, point one on
> your end...gone.

> > Speedvision is NOT NASCAR-vision. Now I'll make an assumption about
> you...do YOU
> > watch any other form of racing?  If not, all I'll say is...figures.

> > If you do, you would realize that whether or not they own the station
has
> nothing to do with
> > what viewers want to see.  I bought and paid good money for the extra
> package that has
> > Speedvision, I'll be darned if I sit quietly by and let them change it
> into NASCAR-vision.

> > --
> > ?? Jan Kohl ??
> > SECURITY CONSULTANT
> > The Pits -  http://www.theuspits.com
> > Castle  Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

Dale Gree

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Dale Gree » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:21:23


: I would be
: super pissed if they dropped WRC, SBK, F1, or any of the other racing
series
: that Speedvision covers and I would definitely let them know how unhappy I
: would be.
:

And where else on TV would we see the movies Grand Prix and Le Mans.

Dale.

Kai Fulle

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Kai Fulle » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:36:07

My Guess Jan is...

Formula 1: Either they keep it, or ESPN gets it, now that there is a USGP it
will get covered somewhere. Most likely.

24LM: End up with broken up coverage, and possibly a return to the bad old
days of no coverage at all. Same goes for Sebring

ALMS: competes with Nascars grand AM and ends up showing sparingly on NBC.
Funding and attendance suffer.

WRC: They keep the 1 hour shows and good late night filler. some of the
cheap international shows they purchase stay.

LegendsMS: Show becomes very NASCAR oriented. (Not all that much to talk
about if you ask me.)

Speedvision challenge: Derek Daly becomes irate over it's cancellation, and
sabotages Nascar in car cameras.

Web-site: Loss of neat road racing commentary that actually criticizes the
fans for treating Gordon like crap.

IRL\CART Split: Bernie buys em both in an unrelated move, moving the entire
Indianapolis speedway to eastern Europe to increase interest in the region.
Leaving the Americans with a similarly shaped go cart track. Bristol fans
delighted, Pocono fans not.

Nazareth: Track closed due to lack of major racing series.

Jan Kohl: assassinated by Rupert Murdoch... emerges as a sim racing phoenix
and breaks 6 minutes at the ring... (wow) Huttu very jealous.

Am I missing anything?



sanctioning body completed a $2.8 billion
With viewership at an all-time high, Fox and
channel.  The plan is to convert Speedvision, an
varied racing events besides NASCAR Racing,
same.  We DON'T want a good racing channel
watch it.  I'll have the cable package (which I
good format that shows alot more varied racing
on there...I can bet my bottom dollar that
favor of NASCAR sanctioned events.

ymenar

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by ymenar » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:43:52


> You want a NASCAR channel, get your own damn channel.

This summarize perfectly the situation.  The reason why I like Speedvision
so much is because there's NO Nascar on it.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Dave Henri

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Dave Henri » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:51:51

  I'll add my two cents worth...Nascar taking over Speedvision will KILL
some of the coverage we get now.
Say goodbye to ALMS.  Say Goodbye to other Tin Top series...(not that we get
DTM or Aussie V8's as it is...) but as Jan says, the likely-hood of a Nascar
Channel promoting othere series that compete with it's interests is very
very small.
  We are almost in what could be called the Golden Age of Auto Racing
coverage in the USA.  How many folks remember the good ol days of ABC's Wide
World of Sports, when they would throw in 10 minutes of racing with 3 other
sports and cut back and forth between the different events.  How many folks
remember even seeing short track races on ABC WWs???
  I'm sure in Europe they have similar problems with various channels
covering only certain events...but in the States....for most of the
International events...it's Speedvision or nothing.
dave henrie
"Dale Green"
Jay

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Jay » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:52:02

AMEN!!



> > You want a NASCAR channel, get your own damn channel.

> This summarize perfectly the situation.  The reason why I like Speedvision
> so much is because there's NO Nascar on it.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Dave Henri

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Dave Henri » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:46:54

"Kai Fuller" <>
  Sebring..the Petite LeMans Le Mans......POOF!
(stay tuned for our exclusive 30 minute wrap up of last months 24hour race,
someplace in France..)
  not a chance...who's got the broadcast rights for the 2nd half of the
nascar season???  Good old NBC thats who...

  4 door cars racing without tracks??  I'm restating that no other sedan
style racing of any genre would be shown...might lure away 3% of the core
audience.
  uh yeah...the Xfiles conspiracies....
dave henrie

Eddie Petti

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Eddie Petti » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:36:54

Actually, the Hee-Haw channel is now The National Network and is showing
primetime shows from the 70s and 80s.





> > Looks like you might be buying your own cable station soon to give you
the
> > viewing you desire.  ;-)

> > I love it when a guy/company wants to take something they own and change
> it
> > to their liking people fly off the handle like they don't have the right
> to
> > do so.  I just can't understand that thinking.  You probably don't even
> > watch NASCAR so you aren't one of the 41M households to which they are
> > catering.

> > Thanks.

> 41 million? You might be way off on your numbers.
> http://www.sportsline.com/u/wire/stories/0,1169,3621187_6,00.html
> Besides, I think we already have a NASCAR channel. It's the same one that
> shows Hee-Haw.

> David G Fisher

Eddie Petti

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Eddie Petti » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:39:04

I remember those days!  I can't see the coverage going away with FOX
SportsNet around, unless of course the market isn't there.  I have no idea
what the ratings are for these various types of racing on SV.


Eddie Petti

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Eddie Petti » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:39:22

Sure, but you aren't only talking about not watching NASCAR-vision, you are
talking about not watching any of the FOX or NASCAR programming, that's a
bit more than just NASCAR-vision.  And don't you think that some of the FOX
SportsNet Channels will pick up the other programming?  If there's a demand,
it won't go away.

Thanks.


it" do you think that
investment in NASCAR)
change Speedvision",
you, Eddie, is that you
forms of racing...but
races...but then again,
month?  A year?  2 years?
ll the other racing I
up the ghost while it's

Eddie Petti

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Eddie Petti » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:45:32

So you're telling me that a group of people own a channel and can't do
precisely what they want with it?  Why can't they do whatever the market
will bear with it?  If they market will support it being the "Beannie Baby
Channel" and they want to do that, why can't they?  They have no obligation
beyond making the shareholders money.

Does anyone know what the ratings are on non-NASCAR racing?

Thanks.


> Has everyone forgotten that the press and the media has an obligation to
> serve the people?

> Since when did we all think it's OK for the owners of the media to do what
> they want with it... and if people try to say something about it, we're
> being anti-capitalist ore something.

> Secondly, since when is some guys right to do what hell he wants with the
> media without getting hassled more important than the right of the people
to
> assemble? It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the people to protest and boycott if
> they aren't getting what they want from the media.

> Frankly Eddie, if your favorite form of racing were F1 and sports cars,
you
> wouldn't feel quite the same, so what the hell are you talking about?

> FWIW, NASCAR has been my favorite form of racing for at least a decade,
but
> I get enough of that on all the other channels, is there really 24 hours
> worth of info about nascar, without a bunch of repeats?



> > You correct that I knew nothing about you.

> > I agree with you in basic principle, you have a right to cancel your
> > subscription to Speedvision.  It's the threat of boycott against FOX,
> NASCAR
> > and god only knows who else that I'm against.

> > FWIW:  I really only have time to watch NASCAR these days, so I'm not
> > certain how I feel about this.  However, I will add that if the market
> > desires such a channel it's certain to be back.

> > Thanks.





> > > > Looks like you might be buying your own cable station soon to give
you
> > the
> > > > viewing you desire.  ;-)

> > > > I love it when a guy/company wants to take something they own and
> change
> > it
> > > > to their liking people fly off the handle like they don't have the
> right
> > to
> > > > do so.  I just can't understand that thinking.  You probably don't
> even
> > > > watch NASCAR so you aren't one of the 41M households to which they
are
> > > > catering.

> > > Eddie, obviously speaking from the point of knowing nothing about me,

> > > I've been a NASCAR fan since 1970.  I have watched almost every NASCAR
> > race
> > > for the past 8 years.  I like watching NASCAR Racing.  So, point one
on
> > your end...gone.

> > > Speedvision is NOT NASCAR-vision. Now I'll make an assumption about
> > you...do YOU
> > > watch any other form of racing?  If not, all I'll say is...figures.

> > > If you do, you would realize that whether or not they own the station
> has
> > nothing to do with
> > > what viewers want to see.  I bought and paid good money for the extra
> > package that has
> > > Speedvision, I'll be darned if I sit quietly by and let them change it
> > into NASCAR-vision.

> > > --
> > > ?? Jan Kohl ??
> > > SECURITY CONSULTANT
> > > The Pits -  http://www.theuspits.com
> > > Castle  Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

Eddie Petti

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Eddie Petti » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:47:47

You want to keep SV the channel that it is?  Buy it.  If you can buy it you
can program as you see fit.  That's my point.  Sure, current viewers can
complain and they should, but threatening boycotts...



> > You want a NASCAR channel, get your own damn channel.

> This summarize perfectly the situation.  The reason why I like Speedvision
> so much is because there's NO Nascar on it.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Pierre Robitaill

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Pierre Robitaill » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:10:01


> Does anyone know what the ratings are on non-NASCAR racing?

Sorry, I don't. But won't the NASCAR race ratings be lower if they
move them to a limited distribution network like Speedvision?

Let's start our own RASvision!
We could show replays of the best GPL races of the week, and throw
in DGF rants (a la DML) here and there to balance things out. :)

Sundow

WARNING: Fox conversion of Speedvision to 'NASCAR-vision' eminent...

by Sundow » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:31:02

Dude, why do you think Speedvision exists? It's not about ratings; hell,
A.C. Nielsen doesn't even MESS with Speedvision. When have you seen a
ratings number for ANYTHING on Speedvision?

At last check, America loves its oval-track roots, but for you to sit there
and think that us road-racing fans are somehow inferior to someone following
the NASCAR juggernaut is a bit arrogant, dude...

I respect the hell out of Jan (BTW I have no idea who he is), but it's all
about the way he handles himself. I remember him from The Pits, and I agree
with the man, though I would use a different methodology...

Your ratings comment was unnecessary, stupid, and unsensible. Speedvision is
carrying the things that get absolutely no press coverage in America
whatsoever, and THAT FACT is what made me spend an extra $20 to merely get
digital cable so I could watch the 24 Hours of Le Mans, or Grand-Am road
racing, or Australian V8 Supercars on Motorsports Mundial. The biggest races
in endurance racing (Le Mans and Daytona) got a brief mention at
rpm.espn.com, which caters to NASCAR, F1, CART, and IRL. The ONLY reason
Daytona got mention on espn.com is 1) it is raced at the track hosting
NASCAR's most prestigious race, and 2) an American car that had on its
driving staff a seven-time Winston Cup champion won the race. Do you think
they would have covered that race as "extensively" as they did had Dale
Earnhardt, Dale Earnhardt Jr., and Kyle Petty not been in that race?

Pity ANYONE who likes other forms of worldwide racing that gets absolutely
no television coverage here whatsoever, inclusing the number of people here
who don't get digital cable, and hence don't get Speedvision. Hell, AMERICAN
motorsports (ASA, ARCA, Hav-A-Tampa, etc.) don't even get press here except
right there on Speedvision (and MAYBE TNN). So this whole talk of you saying
that "Speedvision has the right to do what they want" is a bit slanted,
dude. If they want a NASCAR Channel on Speedvision, they OWE the viweing
public at least an explanation, not us riding on rumors and innuendo all the
time. If they want to change, they are obligated to say so, so I can have
ample time to go to the Cox Cable office and kindly trade in my digital
cable box for a regular one...

Kudos, Jan! I'm behind you, dude!

Sundown
LRL Engineering
Long Live Sports Car GT!


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