rec.autos.simulators

by **Bill Bollinge** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:56:05

The drafting model is also totally screwed up and I for one wont race again
because of it.

Having more fun in Medal of Honor than N2002.

Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard
www.iracingfx.com

by **MadDAW** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:46:42

Never really got into shooter type games. I have been messing around with
Dungeon Siege as a break from racing. If I ever finish it I might give
Neverwinter Nights a try. The best part is by the time I'm ready to play it
It should be in the discount bin :)

MadDAWG

by **John Poutr** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 04:16:57

Medal of Honor is fantastic IMHO...

by **jason moy** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 04:35:29

Medal of Honor is fun if you don't mind the arcade damage model. It's
also very short. After installing one of the patches, all of my saved
games were unusable, and I managed to start over from the beginning
and beat the entire game in about 5-6 hours.

Personally, I think Op Flashpoint is the only really worthwhile FPS at
the moment, if you're a fan of realism. Shame the vehicle models
suck.

Jason

>Medal of Honor is fantastic IMHO...

>> Never really got into shooter type games. I have been messing around with
>> Dungeon Siege as a break from racing. If I ever finish it I might give
>> Neverwinter Nights a try. The best part is by the time I'm ready to play
>it
>> It should be in the discount bin :)

>> MadDAWG

by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 04:44:57

I don't know what you guys are talking about. There's only two things N2002
does better than F12002. Replays (big deal) and multiplay.

David G Fisher

> Not quite so detestful of the roundy-round boys as you Doug, but I too
think
> it's a shame the best technology in the sim business *by far* is ONLY to
be
> found in an oval-laden Nascar sim. Fine, but just not my thing. And F1
> 2002 has some nice bits, but it's really just not on the same level,
> product-wise, as NR2002. Every time I take one of those lumbering
stockers
> around the Osterreichring or Silverstone I can't help imagining what GPL2
> might have been. Or what a great Trans Am or ALMS sim the Papy engine
would
> make. I love ALMS for the variety of cars and the constant traffic.
> Wouldn't mixed-class online racing be a hoot?

> Guess there's always....well, you know. ;-)

> SB

> <snip>
> > I now drive N2k2. Not because I like nascar's - infact I LOATH them, I
> HATE
> > them, i deteste EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM. They're fat, ugly, unrefined, the
> > handle like shit on road courses. All the tracks are crap, left ,left,
> left.
> > And when you do get a road course -it's a waste of time when you're
> driving
> > a tank.

> > Despite all of that - I drive N2k2 because it's the best racing
simulator
> > out there. I think that's a pretty shit situation to be in - dont you?

> > Doug

by **double** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 04:55:19

Let me initially say that i'm not disagreeing with you Scott. Would you
mind providing me with some examples of poorly done corners and sections?
Not that I know any better, but I'm just curious.

-w

by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:09:44

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:44:57 GMT, "David G Fisher"

>I don't know what you guys are talking about. There's only two things N2002
>does better than F12002. Replays (big deal) and multiplay.

>David G Fisher

It's the multiplay we're talking about, THAT's the big deal

Andre

by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:19:35

The post I replied to had comments by Doug and Steve which slagged F12002.
Steve said, "And F1
2002 has some nice bits, but it's really just not on the same level,
product-wise, as NR2002. " Doug says in many posts that F12002 is not that
good of a sim.

David G Fisher

> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:44:57 GMT, "David G Fisher"

> >I don't know what you guys are talking about. There's only two things
N2002
> >does better than F12002. Replays (big deal) and multiplay.

> >David G Fisher

> It's the multiplay we're talking about, THAT's the big deal

> Andre

by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:21:10

> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:44:57 GMT, "David G Fisher"

> >I don't know what you guys are talking about. There's only two things
N2002
> >does better than F12002. Replays (big deal) and multiplay.

> >David G Fisher

> It's the multiplay we're talking about, THAT's the big deal

> Andre

The post I replied to had comments by Doug and Steve which slagged F12002.
Steve said, "And F1
2002 has some nice bits, but it's really just not on the same level,
product-wise, as NR2002. " Doug says in many posts that F12002 is not that
good of a sim.

David G Fisher

by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:38:19

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:21:10 GMT, "David G Fisher"

>The post I replied to had comments by Doug and Steve which slagged F12002.
>Steve said, "And F1
>2002 has some nice bits, but it's really just not on the same level,
>product-wise, as NR2002. " Doug says in many posts that F12002 is not that
>good of a sim.

>David G Fisher

I had/have a lot of fun with F1 2002, but allready play it less and
less. The more I race against the AI, the more I think they suck, and
well, the multiplayer isn't exactly multiplayer heaven.
Such a damn shame, F1 2002 is such a ***y good and fun sim, but
without good AI and multiplayer it's getting boring rather quickly :-/

Andre

by **Tony Rickar** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:40:26

> I don't know what you guys are talking about. There's only two things
N2002
> does better than F12002. Replays (big deal) and multiplay.

Mmmm..

My wishlist for the best sim from combined from the current crop would
be:

Graphics: N2002
Sound: N2002
AI: GP4 (F1RC Qualifying)
Weather: GP4
Rules implementation: N2002
Replays: N2002
Physics: N2002 (parameters for an open wheeler or touring/sports car)
Menu/Navigation: N2002
Controller Config: N2002
Capability for Mods: F12002
Multiplayer: N2002
Force Feedback: F12002/N2002 ??

So a Cart sim from Papy, with a weather system & AI to rival GP4 and an
open capability for mods, whilst retaining a controlled cheat proof
multiplayer system will do me nicely :-)

Tony

by **jason moy** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:09:48

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:38:19 +0200, Andre Warringa

>I had/have a lot of fun with F1 2002, but allready play it less and
>less. The more I race against the AI, the more I think they suck, and
>well, the multiplayer isn't exactly multiplayer heaven.
>Such a damn shame, F1 2002 is such a ***y good and fun sim, but
>without good AI and multiplayer it's getting boring rather quickly :-/

I've been tempted to record the audio from a race at Monaco.

Before lap 1:

Michael Schumacher has lost his rear wing.
Schumacher has lost his front wing.
Fisichella is unable to continue.
David Coulthard has lost his rear wing.
Heinz Harold Frentzen is unable to continue.

After a 50% race at Monaco there's normally 1 car on the lead lap. and
half the field has dropped out after accidents in the first 2 laps.
That's ridiculous.

Jason

by **Ed Solhei** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:27:19

If the demo is anything to go by I'd say there's a whole bunch of things
N2002 does miles better than F2002.
(as for the final product i wouldn't know - I've not tested it. Nor do I
plan to for that matter, until "someone" realises (sp?) what sim racing is
really about.)

--
ed_

"David G Fisher" said:

by **Rob Adam** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:32:06

Why can't anybody but Papy seem to get controller config right. It worked
great in GPL, and it's just as good if not better in N2002. Other than a few
people who lose calibration occasionally, it's virtually flawless. Seems
like every other game out there requires hacking around in INI files to even
get a wheel to work (GPL requires that for FF, but that's because FF came
out in a patch).

by **jason moy** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:52:14

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:32:06 GMT, "Rob Adams"

>Why can't anybody but Papy seem to get controller config right. It worked
>great in GPL, and it's just as good if not better in N2002. Other than a few
>people who lose calibration occasionally, it's virtually flawless. Seems
>like every other game out there requires hacking around in INI files to even
>get a wheel to work (GPL requires that for FF, but that's because FF came
>out in a patch).

Controller problems severely limited my enjoyment of F1 2001.

I can say wholeheartedly, that I have not had similar problem in F1
2002. The half-travel split-axis problem is history (and it now works
correctly by default!), the problems I had with the controls not
working in training mode are gone (I never really understood that) and
without messing about much with controller rates, I've managed to get
a very Papyrus-like feel by setting everything as low as it will go
with axis sensitivity at 25% for all axes. Seriously, ISI sims have
never felt this good before.

That said, I lose my controller calibration constantly in N2002, but I
still prefer that to the ISI style setup.

Jason

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