rec.autos.simulators

I want the Daytona Track for NASCAR Racing. Can somebody that has the
track send it to us? I know the beta testers has it. So can we get a
copy of it PLEASE?

For reference, the version the beta testers had was not the final one.

Jed
The Pits
http://www.ukps.com/thepits
http://www.arc.net/users/jkohl/thepits/index.html

Dear Gordon<:-?,
The only posts I have seen re:DAYTONA Beta Testing have been from a gXuXyX
person named Bow-Tie, who curiously enough has the EXACT same E-Mail address as
YOU 8-o !?! Weird Huh??? Might wanna see if your Mom has been secretly running
at Daytona on your computer after You're tucked in at night. Just a Thought.
Happy Lappin',
Wade Tschida

W_Cheeta (MP)

It seems to me that if the "BETA TESTERS" have the track, the damage has
already been done..Could some annoymous beta tester step foreward and
release the stupid thing please?? Sega Smaaga..Or whoever is "warning"
Jed...You can change the dat file of any track in the game to say Daytona.
How would anyone prove anything..Theyre just blowing smoke up yer a_ _ !!
Personally, I wish they would give me some publisity with there threats..
I'd call a newspaper and see if I could make them look like fools for
trying to warn me about putting out some track I CUT & PASTED out of MY
game.. There is no data from Daytona International Speedway in the game so
how could someone STEAL something from them.. It sounds to me like they
are trying to claim something that isnt even theirs !!! What do you-all
think ?? I just cant see any seriousness in this.. How come nobody got
harassed for releasing the Brickyard ?? Now that sounds like something
someone would have a beef with !!! Oh well.. I'm done ***in :)  Later,
Mick # 16 Mountain Dew Chevy NETCAR

Mike you idea makes alot of sense. I also agree with you on that we
arn't stealing from Daytona if the track was even with NASCAR Racing.

says...

 >
 > Mike you idea makes alot of sense. I also agree with you on that we
 > arn't stealing from Daytona if the track was even with NASCAR Racing.
 >

 > says...
 > >
 > >It seems to me that if the "BETA TESTERS" have the track, the damage
 > has
 > >already been done..Could some annoymous beta tester step foreward and
 > >release the stupid thing please?? Sega Smaaga..Or whoever is
"warning"
 > >Jed...You can change the dat file of any track in the game to say
 > Daytona.
 > >How would anyone prove anything..Theyre just blowing smoke up yer a_
_
 > !!
 > >Personally, I wish they would give me some publisity with there
 > threats..
 > >I'd call a newspaper and see if I could make them look like fools for
 > >trying to warn me about putting out some track I CUT & PASTED out of
MY
 > >game.. There is no data from Daytona International Speedway in the
game
 > so
 > >how could someone STEAL something from them.. It sounds to me like
they
 > >are trying to claim something that isnt even theirs !!! What do
you-all
 > >think ?? I just cant see any seriousness in this.. How come nobody
got
 > >harassed for releasing the Brickyard ?? Now that sounds like
something
 > >someone would have a beef with !!! Oh well.. I'm done ***in :)
 > Later,
 > >Mick # 16 Mountain Dew Chevy NETCAR
I've seen all the pros and cons and to's' and fro's about this so-called
Daytona conversion, and I still can't understand how Daytona can sue if,
a) The track is renamed as something other than Daytona
b) The track doesn't even look like Daytona. After all it is based around
the Talledega track. How similar are these two tracks? I mean, if it was
released as Talledega II, where's the fuss. Daytona's owners wouldn't
have a look in.
Think about it. A conversion of the North Las Vegas track is freely
available. And the Las Vegas owners aren't making a fuss about that, even
though they gave nobody a permit to use their track name. And the
C***te track owners are not making a fuss, either. After all it's
their track, or at least, a licenced simulation of their track, that has
been stripped of some features and been renamed. Yet, no fuss from
C***te. Same with Bristol/Hutsville. No fuss.
I just can't see how Daytona have got a legal leg to stand on if the
Pit's conversion was released under a different name, with no reference
to the name Daytona.
I know it's true that I'm not the one who has to be afraid of litigation,
but surely there are some lawyers out there racing in the sim leagues who
can give an authoritative judgement on the chances of Daytona's success
in a court wrangle if their name was removed from the conversion
altogether. Of course, The Pits don't want anything to do with courts and
court cases, and I understand and sympathise with that completely. I
wouldn't either. But still, without the use of the Daytona name, I don't
see the problem.
Roy

If it aint called daytona ...It aint Daytona..Period!!! So where is it JED
???Put it out or Im gonna' round up a posse and come lookin' for ya !!
 !!:) Seriously, whats the big deal??
Mick

For one, I'm tired of this whinning about Daytona. Look, The Pits hacked
out a Daytona. That's great. Daytona International Speedway heard about
this and asked them not to release it. Is that so bad? Yeah sure I know
your going to tell me that it doesn't include any data from Daytona, as
it's based on Talladega. Well guess what...International Speedway
Corporation (the group that owns and operates Datona) also owns
Talladega. It's only a step away from infringement...

Now before you'all throw flames down my throat just sit back for a minute
and reflect on what's happened in the past few weeks.

1) Papyrus has announced that they are working on NASCAR 2.

2) NASCAR has stepped in and gave Hawaii (soon to be called NRL)
legitimacy, by announcing that following the release of NASCAR 2, you
will be able to purchase the NRL software package enabling you to race
in NASCAR's official 12th (or was it 13th?) division.

3) There have been rumours that the Sega contract is up or is nearing
it's end concerning Daytona.

...c'mon guys...put 1, 2, and 3 together. What do you get? I really doubt
that NASCAR would jump in create an official (albeit virtual) division of
itself without the possibility of Daytona.

Why don't you just wait until Christmas and give the guys at The Pits a
break. Without their involvement much of what has happened since the
release of ICR2 would not be possible. If you must continue to pester
people about your lack of Daytona (and I just KNOW I'm going to get flack
for this...) why don't you annoy Papyrus about their unreleased version
of Daytona.

(...c'mon...do you think the makers of the game would do a little
"hacking" of their own...just my speculation of course :)
     __o
   _-\<,_    Cosmo Potapoff

This is one of the major battles with Daytona is the fact that it is
based on Daytona and it use Tally's data.

Its O.K people in r.a.s saying 'Stuff them and release it' but there
not the ones who will have law suits against them and huge lawyers
bills.

The point is ISC is a BIG company, Sega is a big company and if they
wanted, they could both start on me.

I earn chicken shit for a living and I don't fancy spending the next
year in the supreme court trying to fight some something that isn't
all that great anyway.

Well spotted. I've suspected for ages that Daytona will be around soon
in some 'offical' form.

The dialogue I've had with Andrew Gurtis, head of licensing at DIS, is
very promising. Although he hasn't actually said as much, certain
things he has told me does give a strong indication that Daytona are
very aware of the situation with Papyrus and are trying to stay
bedfellows with Sega but still give Papyrus a go.

Please do! If your not asking me to write patches then its to update
the site. I have got a job and a social life too you know! ;-)

They never admitted it to me but I would assume they probably bits of
it lying around somewhere.

Daytona for ICR2. Now theres a thought....

Jed

The Pits

settles) sent shooting through ***space:

Look, guys, the fabled "Daytona Patch"(tm) is TALLADEGA.  Deal with
it!!  The only thing the patch PATCHED was scenery, car speed by about
6mph, and that's about it.  NOTHING ELSE CHANGED!!  You guys seem to
think that the "patch"(tm) was actually going to look and drive like
the real Daytona.  What would you think if I repackaged Bristol and
renamed it Seattle?  Same difference.

Sheesh.  Why don't you just wait for Papyrus to do the REAL track when
Sega's license is up at the end of the year?  I'm sure, knowing their
marketing prowess, that they'll bundle it with NRL.  Can you imagine
the sales on an add-on that has NASCAR league software AND the Daytona
track in it?

Until then, PLEASE stop begging for this patch.  You won't get it.
--

IWCCCARS Project Coordinator
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~iwcc/project.htm
Hawaii Racer ID: IWCCCARS

Here's an idea. How bout a "Dirt Track" Daytona.