rec.autos.simulators

> Based on what is visible from Sierra and Papy the prospect of a patch
seems
> dicey at best.

> > Based on what is visible from Sierra and Papy the prospect of a patch
> seems
> > dicey at best.

> Lmao based on what?

> In all seriousness, anybody who has the slightest clue of previous titles
by
> Papyrus knows how the process happens.  Title gets released, there is a
> couple of bugs, Papyrus shuts their mouth after it's release, people whine
> about the product, almost all the bugs get fixed 2-3months after the
title's
> release.  It has always been like that.

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> NR1999?

>      While I love the game there are two things that are getting real old
> real quick. The first being the often occurring apparently causeless and
> totally unpredictable announcement "Cannot load track, weekend canceled" .
> This seems to be based purely on what mood the game is in. Sometimes it will
> start at the beginning of a session, sometimes the middle, sometimes the
> end. Sometimes "this" track, sometimes "that" track, sometimes EVERY track.
> Sometimes a simple reselection will clear it up, sometimes nothing will, not
> even a cold reboot. "Weekend canceled" indeed.
>     Needless to say, this is maddening but I could put up this and other
> faults for a while if I knew a patch was coming but then we run into the
> second thing that is getting old quickly.
> Based on what is visible from Sierra and Papy the prospect of a patch seems
> dicey at best. While there
> are a great many here that seem to have faith that one is indeed in the
> works I fail to see what they base that faith on since both Sierra and Papy
> have been totally silent not only on the subject of a patch but on any
> subject at all. I have searched the web but except for a couple of
> non-updated, completely non-responding web sites there is no evidence that
> either Sierra or Papy even exist. This is not comforting.
>     While it is true N4 has been selling very well it is equally true that
> other companies have totally abandoned new but buggy games that have sold as
> well or better. Those here who are also into Flight sims have seen this from
> Hasbro regarding Squad Leader, B-17 2, and Gunship! to name a few. These are
> names of sims as famous in the military sim community as NASCAR is in online
> racing. Hasbro used that fame to quickly sell many copies of very flawed
> sims then abruptly cut off all support for the games within weeks of
> release. Papy's and Sierra's release of a faulty game under a famous name
> followed by an apparent refusal to say anything beyond "ORDER NOW!!!" is so
> completely similar to the behavior of Hasbro that it is easier to believe
> Sierra and Papy intend to abandon NASCAR 4 then it is to believe that they
> intend to fix it. Unless and until either Sierra or Papy show themselves the
> safest course seems to be to assume that what we have is all we are ever
> going to get and then, based on that assumption, either keep N4 "as-is" or
> return it.

>    While it is true N4 has been selling very well it is equally true that
>other companies have totally abandoned new but buggy games that have sold as
>well or better. Those here who are also into Flight sims have seen this from
>Hasbro regarding Squad Leader, B-17 2, and Gunship! to name a few.

> the difference is,

> Hasbro's financial well being doesn't depend on stuff like Gunship! (which
I'll
> go on record as saying easily had the best terrain graphics in a helo sim
to
> date), whereas Papy's livelihood very much depends on N4, which may as
well be
> the only title they have.

> >      While I love the game there are two things that are getting real
old
> > real quick. The first being the often occurring apparently causeless and
> > totally unpredictable announcement "Cannot load track, weekend canceled"
.
> > This seems to be based purely on what mood the game is in. Sometimes it
will
> > start at the beginning of a session, sometimes the middle, sometimes the
> > end. Sometimes "this" track, sometimes "that" track, sometimes EVERY
track.
> > Sometimes a simple reselection will clear it up, sometimes nothing will,
not
> > even a cold reboot. "Weekend canceled" indeed.
> >     Needless to say, this is maddening but I could put up this and other
> > faults for a while if I knew a patch was coming but then we run into the
> > second thing that is getting old quickly.
> > Based on what is visible from Sierra and Papy the prospect of a patch
seems
> > dicey at best. While there
> > are a great many here that seem to have faith that one is indeed in the
> > works I fail to see what they base that faith on since both Sierra and
Papy
> > have been totally silent not only on the subject of a patch but on any
> > subject at all. I have searched the web but except for a couple of
> > non-updated, completely non-responding web sites there is no evidence
that
> > either Sierra or Papy even exist. This is not comforting.
> >     While it is true N4 has been selling very well it is equally true
that
> > other companies have totally abandoned new but buggy games that have
sold as
> > well or better. Those here who are also into Flight sims have seen this
from
> > Hasbro regarding Squad Leader, B-17 2, and Gunship! to name a few. These
are
> > names of sims as famous in the military sim community as NASCAR is in
online
> > racing. Hasbro used that fame to quickly sell many copies of very flawed
> > sims then abruptly cut off all support for the games within weeks of
> > release. Papy's and Sierra's release of a faulty game under a famous
name
> > followed by an apparent refusal to say anything beyond "ORDER NOW!!!" is
so
> > completely similar to the behavior of Hasbro that it is easier to
believe
> > Sierra and Papy intend to abandon NASCAR 4 then it is to believe that
they
> > intend to fix it. Unless and until either Sierra or Papy show themselves
the
> > safest course seems to be to assume that what we have is all we are ever
> > going to get and then, based on that assumption, either keep N4 "as-is"
or
> > return it.

> ROFL only title they have? You must not be a Sierra fan at all then. They
> have a number of games that are very good and I am currently waiting on
one,
> just like we had to wait on N4. By that I mean, Tribes 2. They also have
> other games that may not appeal to you, however they appeal to other
groups.

> Peter Walker
> Bagus51
> http://www.typ-group.com

> > the difference is,

> > Hasbro's financial well being doesn't depend on stuff like Gunship!
(which
> I'll
> > go on record as saying easily had the best terrain graphics in a helo
sim
> to
> > date), whereas Papy's livelihood very much depends on N4, which may as
> well be
> > the only title they have.

> > >      While I love the game there are two things that are getting real
> old
> > > real quick. The first being the often occurring apparently causeless
and
> > > totally unpredictable announcement "Cannot load track, weekend
canceled"
> .
> > > This seems to be based purely on what mood the game is in. Sometimes
it
> will
> > > start at the beginning of a session, sometimes the middle, sometimes
the
> > > end. Sometimes "this" track, sometimes "that" track, sometimes EVERY
> track.
> > > Sometimes a simple reselection will clear it up, sometimes nothing
will,
> not
> > > even a cold reboot. "Weekend canceled" indeed.
> > >     Needless to say, this is maddening but I could put up this and
other
> > > faults for a while if I knew a patch was coming but then we run into
the
> > > second thing that is getting old quickly.
> > > Based on what is visible from Sierra and Papy the prospect of a patch
> seems
> > > dicey at best. While there
> > > are a great many here that seem to have faith that one is indeed in
the
> > > works I fail to see what they base that faith on since both Sierra and
> Papy
> > > have been totally silent not only on the subject of a patch but on any
> > > subject at all. I have searched the web but except for a couple of
> > > non-updated, completely non-responding web sites there is no evidence
> that
> > > either Sierra or Papy even exist. This is not comforting.
> > >     While it is true N4 has been selling very well it is equally true
> that
> > > other companies have totally abandoned new but buggy games that have
> sold as
> > > well or better. Those here who are also into Flight sims have seen
this
> from
> > > Hasbro regarding Squad Leader, B-17 2, and Gunship! to name a few.
These
> are
> > > names of sims as famous in the military sim community as NASCAR is in
> online
> > > racing. Hasbro used that fame to quickly sell many copies of very
flawed
> > > sims then abruptly cut off all support for the games within weeks of
> > > release. Papy's and Sierra's release of a faulty game under a famous
> name
> > > followed by an apparent refusal to say anything beyond "ORDER NOW!!!"
is
> so
> > > completely similar to the behavior of Hasbro that it is easier to
> believe
> > > Sierra and Papy intend to abandon NASCAR 4 then it is to believe that
> they
> > > intend to fix it. Unless and until either Sierra or Papy show
themselves
> the
> > > safest course seems to be to assume that what we have is all we are
ever
> > > going to get and then, based on that assumption, either keep N4
"as-is"
> or
> > > return it.

> the difference is,

> Hasbro's financial well being doesn't depend on stuff like Gunship! (which
I'll
> go on record as saying easily had the best terrain graphics in a helo sim
to
> date), whereas Papy's livelihood very much depends on N4, which may as
well be
> the only title they have.

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:02:16 -0500, "Joe L."

> SL got a patch just a couple of weeks back.
> B17-2 got a patch and a new one is still being worked on.
> Gunship! got a patch too.

> ROFL only title they have? You must not be a Sierra fan at all then. They
> have a number of games that are very good and I am currently waiting on one,
> just like we had to wait on N4. By that I mean, Tribes 2. They also have
> other games that may not appeal to you, however they appeal to other groups.

> Peter Walker
> Bagus51
> http://www.typ-group.com

> > the difference is,

> > Hasbro's financial well being doesn't depend on stuff like Gunship! (which
> I'll
> > go on record as saying easily had the best terrain graphics in a helo sim
> to
> > date), whereas Papy's livelihood very much depends on N4, which may as
> well be
> > the only title they have.

> > >      While I love the game there are two things that are getting real
> old
> > > real quick. The first being the often occurring apparently causeless and
> > > totally unpredictable announcement "Cannot load track, weekend canceled"
> .
> > > This seems to be based purely on what mood the game is in. Sometimes it
> will
> > > start at the beginning of a session, sometimes the middle, sometimes the
> > > end. Sometimes "this" track, sometimes "that" track, sometimes EVERY
> track.
> > > Sometimes a simple reselection will clear it up, sometimes nothing will,
> not
> > > even a cold reboot. "Weekend canceled" indeed.
> > >     Needless to say, this is maddening but I could put up this and other
> > > faults for a while if I knew a patch was coming but then we run into the
> > > second thing that is getting old quickly.
> > > Based on what is visible from Sierra and Papy the prospect of a patch
> seems
> > > dicey at best. While there
> > > are a great many here that seem to have faith that one is indeed in the
> > > works I fail to see what they base that faith on since both Sierra and
> Papy
> > > have been totally silent not only on the subject of a patch but on any
> > > subject at all. I have searched the web but except for a couple of
> > > non-updated, completely non-responding web sites there is no evidence
> that
> > > either Sierra or Papy even exist. This is not comforting.
> > >     While it is true N4 has been selling very well it is equally true
> that
> > > other companies have totally abandoned new but buggy games that have
> sold as
> > > well or better. Those here who are also into Flight sims have seen this
> from
> > > Hasbro regarding Squad Leader, B-17 2, and Gunship! to name a few. These
> are
> > > names of sims as famous in the military sim community as NASCAR is in
> online
> > > racing. Hasbro used that fame to quickly sell many copies of very flawed
> > > sims then abruptly cut off all support for the games within weeks of
> > > release. Papy's and Sierra's release of a faulty game under a famous
> name
> > > followed by an apparent refusal to say anything beyond "ORDER NOW!!!" is
> so
> > > completely similar to the behavior of Hasbro that it is easier to
> believe
> > > Sierra and Papy intend to abandon NASCAR 4 then it is to believe that
> they
> > > intend to fix it. Unless and until either Sierra or Papy show themselves
> the
> > > safest course seems to be to assume that what we have is all we are ever
> > > going to get and then, based on that assumption, either keep N4 "as-is"
> or
> > > return it.

> Papyrus is making Tribes 2?

> He is confused by comparing Hasbro and Papyrus' roles, but atleast read what
> he wrote.

> > ROFL only title they have? You must not be a Sierra fan at all then. They
> > have a number of games that are very good and I am currently waiting on
> one,
> > just like we had to wait on N4. By that I mean, Tribes 2. They also have
> > other games that may not appeal to you, however they appeal to other
> groups.

> > Peter Walker
> > Bagus51
> > http://www.typ-group.com

> > > the difference is,

> > > Hasbro's financial well being doesn't depend on stuff like Gunship!
> (which
> > I'll
> > > go on record as saying easily had the best terrain graphics in a helo
> sim
> > to
> > > date), whereas Papy's livelihood very much depends on N4, which may as
> > well be
> > > the only title they have.

> > > >      While I love the game there are two things that are getting real
> > old
> > > > real quick. The first being the often occurring apparently causeless
> and
> > > > totally unpredictable announcement "Cannot load track, weekend
> canceled"
> > .
> > > > This seems to be based purely on what mood the game is in. Sometimes
> it
> > will
> > > > start at the beginning of a session, sometimes the middle, sometimes
> the
> > > > end. Sometimes "this" track, sometimes "that" track, sometimes EVERY
> > track.
> > > > Sometimes a simple reselection will clear it up, sometimes nothing
> will,
> > not
> > > > even a cold reboot. "Weekend canceled" indeed.
> > > >     Needless to say, this is maddening but I could put up this and
> other
> > > > faults for a while if I knew a patch was coming but then we run into
> the
> > > > second thing that is getting old quickly.
> > > > Based on what is visible from Sierra and Papy the prospect of a patch
> > seems
> > > > dicey at best. While there
> > > > are a great many here that seem to have faith that one is indeed in
> the
> > > > works I fail to see what they base that faith on since both Sierra and
> > Papy
> > > > have been totally silent not only on the subject of a patch but on any
> > > > subject at all. I have searched the web but except for a couple of
> > > > non-updated, completely non-responding web sites there is no evidence
> > that
> > > > either Sierra or Papy even exist. This is not comforting.
> > > >     While it is true N4 has been selling very well it is equally true
> > that
> > > > other companies have totally abandoned new but buggy games that have
> > sold as
> > > > well or better. Those here who are also into Flight sims have seen
> this
> > from
> > > > Hasbro regarding Squad Leader, B-17 2, and Gunship! to name a few.
> These
> > are
> > > > names of sims as famous in the military sim community as NASCAR is in
> > online
> > > > racing. Hasbro used that fame to quickly sell many copies of very
> flawed
> > > > sims then abruptly cut off all support for the games within weeks of
> > > > release. Papy's and Sierra's release of a faulty game under a famous
> > name
> > > > followed by an apparent refusal to say anything beyond "ORDER NOW!!!"
> is
> > so
> > > > completely similar to the behavior of Hasbro that it is easier to
> > believe
> > > > Sierra and Papy intend to abandon NASCAR 4 then it is to believe that
> > they
> > > > intend to fix it. Unless and until either Sierra or Papy show
> themselves
> > the
> > > > safest course seems to be to assume that what we have is all we are
> ever
> > > > going to get and then, based on that assumption, either keep N4
> "as-is"
> > or
> > > > return it.

> Not confused -

> I'm saying that Papyrus would / should do its best to "fix up" N4, cause
if
> they don't, it's possibly over for them.

> Hasbro, while not the developer, decided to pull the plug on Gunship, a
> remarkably selfish move, developed by Microprose - and Microprose has
plenty of
> other stuff to fall back on...

> > Papyrus is making Tribes 2?

> > He is confused by comparing Hasbro and Papyrus' roles, but atleast read
what
> > he wrote.

> > > ROFL only title they have? You must not be a Sierra fan at all then.
They
> > > have a number of games that are very good and I am currently waiting
on
> > one,
> > > just like we had to wait on N4. By that I mean, Tribes 2. They also
have
> > > other games that may not appeal to you, however they appeal to other
> > groups.

> > > Peter Walker
> > > Bagus51
> > > http://www.typ-group.com

> > > > the difference is,

> > > > Hasbro's financial well being doesn't depend on stuff like Gunship!
> > (which
> > > I'll
> > > > go on record as saying easily had the best terrain graphics in a
helo
> > sim
> > > to
> > > > date), whereas Papy's livelihood very much depends on N4, which may
as
> > > well be
> > > > the only title they have.

> > > > >      While I love the game there are two things that are getting
real
> > > old
> > > > > real quick. The first being the often occurring apparently
causeless
> > and
> > > > > totally unpredictable announcement "Cannot load track, weekend
> > canceled"
> > > .
> > > > > This seems to be based purely on what mood the game is in.
Sometimes
> > it
> > > will
> > > > > start at the beginning of a session, sometimes the middle,
sometimes
> > the
> > > > > end. Sometimes "this" track, sometimes "that" track, sometimes
EVERY
> > > track.
> > > > > Sometimes a simple reselection will clear it up, sometimes nothing
> > will,
> > > not
> > > > > even a cold reboot. "Weekend canceled" indeed.
> > > > >     Needless to say, this is maddening but I could put up this and
> > other
> > > > > faults for a while if I knew a patch was coming but then we run
into
> > the
> > > > > second thing that is getting old quickly.
> > > > > Based on what is visible from Sierra and Papy the prospect of a
patch
> > > seems
> > > > > dicey at best. While there
> > > > > are a great many here that seem to have faith that one is indeed
in
> > the
> > > > > works I fail to see what they base that faith on since both Sierra
and
> > > Papy
> > > > > have been totally silent not only on the subject of a patch but on
any
> > > > > subject at all. I have searched the web but except for a couple of
> > > > > non-updated, completely non-responding web sites there is no
evidence
> > > that
> > > > > either Sierra or Papy even exist. This is not comforting.
> > > > >     While it is true N4 has been selling very well it is equally
true
> > > that
> > > > > other companies have totally abandoned new but buggy games that
have
> > > sold as
> > > > > well or better. Those here who are also into Flight sims have seen
> > this
> > > from
> > > > > Hasbro regarding Squad Leader, B-17 2, and Gunship! to name a few.
> > These
> > > are
> > > > > names of sims as famous in the military sim community as NASCAR is
in
> > > online
> > > > > racing. Hasbro used that fame to quickly sell many copies of very
> > flawed
> > > > > sims then abruptly cut off all support for the games within weeks
of
> > > > > release. Papy's and Sierra's release of a faulty game under a
famous
> > > name
> > > > > followed by an apparent refusal to say anything beyond "ORDER
NOW!!!"
> > is
> > > so
> > > > > completely similar to the behavior of Hasbro that it is easier to
> > > believe
> > > > > Sierra and Papy intend to abandon NASCAR 4 then it is to believe
that
> > > they
> > > > > intend to fix it. Unless and until either Sierra or Papy show
> > themselves
> > > the
> > > > > safest course seems to be to assume that what we have is all we
are
> > ever
> > > > > going to get and then, based on that assumption, either keep N4
> > "as-is"
> > > or
> > > > > return it.