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Or post them in some binary newsgroup (then please state wich one :)

Thanks in advance :)

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Sure it gets rid of the jaggies, but you can do that somewhat by
driving at high resolutions. But it also gets rid of the pixel popping
and other artifacts of aliasing that you really can't capture on a
screen shot.

The screenshots were made with pre-release drivers.  The released version
allows you
to take shots at full quality.  I'm pretty sure they tell you how to do this
over
at www.3dfxgamers.com

Best Wishes,
scott

Borchers

It's my understanding that you take such a FPS hit that it basically negates
the use of 2x or 4x FSAA on the V5 5500, and I've heard the GeForce 2 GTS
isn't even capable of doing real FSAA so is this just a moot point?

Or am I wrong? Because I would really like to hear some testomonials from V5
5500 users as I'm considering buying one for my new system.

Thanks
Jay J

Well, the ONLY reason to buy a V5 is for FSAA, so if that were true
I'd have returned the card for a refund. FSAA is a joke right now on
the Nvidia cards, especially in D3D, but on the V5's it is fantastic.

FSAA will drop your frame rates in Quaker games down from 100 to
75(2X) or 50 (4X), which for some reason is unacceptable to many that
play those games, but for the games I play (mainly racing) the frame
rate is either locked or I can't tell the difference after 40 fps
anyway.

Depends on the game. On the Gefroce2 it works quite well in some games
(EAW, SDOE, F4, Combat Mission), but on eithers it is a complete***
up. But, I did not buy the Geforce2 for FSAA anyway, so to me any
games that run well with FSAA on it are just a bonus. What has me
intrigued are the improved frame rates using T&L in games like N4,
B17-2, and Battle of Britain. All of these games will require hefty
machines to run well so don't expect to be using any FSAA on those
games with a V5 5500 unless you are tolerant of lower frame rates.

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You're wrong on this one, at least for the Geforce and GPL.  I have a
P3-800/Geforce 256, and with the 5.30 drivers and FSAA forced to max, have a
negligible frame rate hit on GPL.  Max detail, all cars, 1600x res--rates
drop briefly to high 20s-low 30s at the start of a race, sitting at the back
of the field with everything displayed at every track except Monaco where
the drop is to the mid-20s.  Very quickly, rates hit max and stay there.  I
don't know why Nvidia's FSAA has so little affect on GPL's frame rates--yes
I'm sure it's enabled.

Just about everything else I've tried FSAA with produces no discernible
gameplay benefit for me when compared with normal high resolution, or frame
rates so low as to make using it worthless, except for old sims like Janes
F15.

Jerry Morelock

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I buy hardware to run my software, and the software I have runs great
on the V5. I don't buy hardware that will one day in the future quite
possibly run a game, which I might just happen to like, much better
than the card that runs the software I like right now, well.

When I get a piece of software on my hard drive which won't run well
on my hardware, and I really like the software, then I will invest in
newer hardware. Buying hardware now to run tomorrow's software is a
waste, because if you wait until you have the software, the price of
the hardware will have dropped considerably - or something better will
be available for the same price.

That makes sense.  I could tell from the slightly blurred menu screens that
FSAA was working, but it wasn't making sense that there was no frames
dropoff.  I've seen other high res (not 1600x) stuff where the FSAA wasn't
that visually apparent and thought that might be what was happening here.
Of course, in F12K it's very apparent--just wish it was usable.  Overall,
right now I think the feature is mostly fluff, anyway.  But by the end of
the year . . . and with the semi-annual video upgrade . . .

Jerry Morelock

I've been buying 3DFX since day one. I needed a change.

True, but I have many games that need all the juice they can get and
FSAA just negates that. I want a card that does FSAA, T&L and gives a
better frame rate than a Voodoo3. I don't need FSAA at this point in
time. I need speed baby. :-)

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Thanks for the info Dude....

I've been kicking around the notion of getting a V5 5500 and all the
testimonials have helped sway my decision. The system I'm planning on buying
will be at least a 866 MHz with 128 to 256 RAM, so I'm chopping at the bit
to run GPL with those kinds of  FPS and 4x FSAA!!!

Jay J

I don't think he was running GPL in FSAA. There is no way the Geforce2
could handle 1600xXX res with FSAA.

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