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F1 2000 should i buy it?

Serial # 1978101

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Serial # 1978101 » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

The graphics on this game suck.  For a 200o release, you'd think that
the graphics would be way better!




>>All of which are bogus IMHO :-)

>I disagree. The game is frightfully ugly and slow (either one by
>itself might be forgiveable, but the combination certainly isn't). The
>2-year-old Ubisoft F1 game looked WAY better than this.

>Joe McGinn
>_____________________
>Radical Entertainment

Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00



> >I can't imagine someone saying that the Ubisoft F1 looks way better than
> >this one. Are you sure that something didn't go wrong with the
> >installation? Are you using some ancient videocard?

> Tried it on a TNT2 and Voodoo3. Atholon (sp?) 700 CPU. But ugly and
> dog slow.

Huh...

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00



> >I can only assume that this guy has a sense of humour!

> I do, but I'm not joking. I played the game on an Atholon 700 w/ TNT2.
> It was ugly AND slow.

> The game may well have a good physics model. Sounds like it does, and
> that's great. But to pretend the graphics engine is not a dog is a
> disservice to the people reading this newsgroup.

OK what framerates do you get with FRAPS at 800x600? It is
better than I am reporting? I am not going to argue with you about
this, but I am fasinated to know why it apparently performs better
on my P2-450 than on your 700mhz Anthlon.

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00



Yeah, that is real easy for some anonymous *** to say.
I think you don't even *OWN* the game, let alone try to run
it with a decent video card.

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David R. Ericso

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by David R. Ericso » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Greg,

My question was regarding your direct response to GraDee.  It seems I must
directly quote each post leading up to your inappropriate (IMHO) post in order
for you to understand where I'm coming from.

The original poster of the questions was Joe Murphy.  His subject line was "F1
2000 should i buy it?" and the content of his message had the two questions...
"Is it worth the 34.00.When is GP3 out?"

Notice he asked when GP3 would be out.

GraDee responded to Joe's post with the following:
"If you want the most modern F1 sim then yes, this one is worth it.

GP3 will be out late summer to early autumn it seems."

Reading GraDee's post closely, you'll see that all he did was answer Joe's
questions to the best of his knowledge... nothing more, nothing less.  Because
you seem to be on a crusade to defend any post that could possibly be negative
toward driving sims/games that you like, you are guilty of jumping the gun on
some posts that just answer questions without any depth of bias.

Yes, others who have responded to Joe's questions have said some negative things
about F1 2000, but if you just read the words in GraDee's response to Joe's
questions, it's beyond me how you can get that he was saying GP3 will be
better.  He just answered the question of when GP3 would be out!  You came back
with "And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it
is GP3????"

Another case in point to the fact that you read too much into other people's
posts... your response to me <below> assumes that I was commenting on your
interpretation of more than one post under this subject/title.  That's simply
not true.  Again, if you re-read my post word for word, I was only
commenting/complaining about your response to GraDee.  I specifically used the
words "that message".

Please stop trying to read people's minds, you're obviously not a psychic.

Regards,

Dave Ericson
MomoBoy online
JDB Racing


> Dear David Ericson,

> And exactly what questions do you have about my interpretation
> of these posts with regards to GP3??? See below...

> Regards,
> Greg Cisko





> > >And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it
> > >is GP3????

> > Well IMHO GP2 is a far better sim than F1 2000.  The whole thing
> > just seems to be far more representative of Grand Prix racing.
> > It's hard to imagine that GP3 will be worse than GP2 so it
> > obviously will be better than F1 2000.

> Sure thing pal, whatever you say. Oh boy.

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Joe McGi

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Joe McGi » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:49:47 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me>

I'm not sure it does. I'm sure I was getting 15-20 fps. Unacceptably
slow for any 3d-accelerated racing game, but especialy for a serious
sim. In any case, the game has gone back already.

Joe McGi

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Joe McGi » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00



Oh please. I played it on three different systems that are all working
fine. And besides, even people who like the game are apparently very
torlerant of low frame-rates (describing 15fps as acceptable and so
on).

Iain Mackenzi

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Iain Mackenzi » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Either there is something wrong with your setup, or installation or ... you
need help!
Iain



> >I can't imagine someone saying that the Ubisoft F1 looks way better than
> >this one. Are you sure that something didn't go wrong with the
> >installation? Are you using some ancient videocard?

> Tried it on a TNT2 and Voodoo3. Atholon (sp?) 700 CPU. But ugly and
> dog slow.

> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
> Radical Entertainment

bod

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by bod » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00




> >Something is very wrong with your setup ...

> Oh please. I played it on three different systems that are all working
> fine. And besides, even people who like the game are apparently very
> torlerant of low frame-rates (describing 15fps as acceptable and so
> on).

Okay, whatever.

keep the game looking good, yet you can't run it acceptably on a system with
at least twice the horsepower.
Makes me wonder if I really need to go get that GeForce on Friday : P
Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00


> On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:49:47 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me>

> >...but I am fasinated to know why it apparently performs better
> >on my P2-450 than on your 700mhz Anthlon.

> I'm not sure it does. I'm sure I was getting 15-20 fps. Unacceptably
> slow for any 3d-accelerated racing game, but especialy for a serious
> sim. In any case, the game has gone back already.

OK cool. We can stop bickering about it then :-)

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00




> >Something is very wrong with your setup ...

> Oh please. I played it on three different systems that are all working
> fine. And besides, even people who like the game are apparently very
> torlerant of low frame-rates (describing 15fps as acceptable and so
> on).

Yes this could be my problem... F1 2000 could be right on the edge for
me.

Also, it is strange that my P2-450 may be performing the same in this
game as your AMD Anthlon 700. That would be weird.

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00



When it comes to people making outright false statements yes. Especially
blanket statements like the tracks in F1 2000 are bad.

However you try to point things out to me, the fact remains that most
believe that GP3 will be the modern F1 savior. I would not be so sure
about that. I totally expected F1 2000 to totally suck. It didn;t and in
fact raised the notch a bit. GP3 may be in for some serious competition.

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David R. Ericso

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by David R. Ericso » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00




> > Reading GraDee's post closely, you'll see that all he did was answer Joe's
> > questions to the best of his knowledge... nothing more, nothing less.
> Because
> > you seem to be on a crusade to defend any post that could possibly be
> negative
> > toward driving sims/games that you like, you are guilty of jumping the gun
> on
> > some posts that just answer questions without any depth of bias.

> When it comes to people making outright false statements yes. Especially
> blanket statements like the tracks in F1 2000 are bad.

> However you try to point things out to me, the fact remains that most
> believe that GP3 will be the modern F1 savior. I would not be so sure
> about that. I totally expected F1 2000 to totally suck. It didn;t and in
> fact raised the notch a bit. GP3 may be in for some serious competition.

Acutally, I don't think F1 has a savior... of course I'm partial to fenders and
side-by-side bumper to bumper racing, not boring follow the leader racing.
<ducking for cover now> :-)

Just because you're on the defensive from several people voicing negative
opinions about a game you love, that doesn't mean you have to attack any posts
that don't praise that game.  Sometimes people can give unbiased information to
other people... it really does happen.

Dave

Joe McGi

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Joe McGi » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:39:57 -0500, "Greg Cisko"


>Also, it is strange that my P2-450 may be performing the same in this
>game as your AMD Anthlon 700. That would be weird.

Maybe it doesn't like TNT cards. You have a Voodoo2 right?
Dan Blak

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Dan Blak » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Joe, I saw terrible graphics as well on my TNT2U until I updated my 6 month
old drivers.  I.E., no trees, no elevation changes, sparse track side
objects, no clouds, and flat gray pavement.  Otherwise, the game ran fine,
and I thought that it was a graphically bare attempt.

Because my drivers weren't that old, and everything else ran well, I
hesitated doing the update.  Now I have a far superior game to F1RS, IMHO.
The impression of speed at Hockenheim is incredible.


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