rec.autos.simulators

by **Gregor Vebl** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> Possibly. If GP3 has that ridiculous framerate problem (where occupancy
> over 100% produced lower laptimes while taking much longer in real time)
> which plagued World Circuit and GP2, then GP3 is done before it starts.

> Personally I will start there :-)

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I have to disagree a bit. On my both machines (P200 and now PIII450) I
had GP2 setup so that the occupancy was always below 100% which kept a
consistent framerate. Only when things got realy hairy did the occupancy
suffer.

It is annoying that the laptimes were lower, but this did compensate for
the effect that there is less control when a framerate is low, so it
gave you a better (more realistic ?) chance. But it is something that
kills multiplayer. Which, in an internet form, will not be included
(perhaps for this reason?).

-Gregor

by **Ashley McConnel** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Greg I agree with everything you say....

But...on my brothers AMD Machine (450MHz, 128Meg, Voodoo 3, SB 128) it is
impossible to play, even on the lowest setting (in which it looks like
Chequered Flag for the Speccy! - Who remembers that one??).

I think that it has been tailored towards intel...probably as these were the
development machines. Its quite depressing as we cant have a decent network
race.

Ash

| > OTH some more info could be helpful
| > F1-2000 appears to run like a dog (i.e. unplayable) on some systems,
| > especially dependant upon graphics cards.
|
| It is fine with a P2 and a 12MB Voodoo2 card.
|

by **Tony Rickar** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for filling in the gaps - it was never intended (& this was hopefully
clear) to be a definitive answer to the posters question.

For sure F1-2000 is the best modern day sim. However, with recent advances
in rally and motorbike sims I had hoped the next racing sim would be a major
advancement over previous racing sims. We haven't had an open wheel for some
time so expectations were high. Hence my comments on graphics, sound &
physics.

I think it is a tough call - there are a number here that love it - others
that don't. I guess the best advice is try it - if it runs well on your
system and you like - keep it. Otherwise return it.

Without trying it & giving it some effort you may be missing out on a fun
experience.

As for the sound - yes I have been to Grand Prix. The sound is amazing -
fierce, raucous, incredibly loud. The multiple downshifts were like
fireworks exploding. Definately not conveyed in the external views in the
replays (which I think is the poorest implementation due to weak sounds &
stepped frequency changes). What I have not done is to ride in an F1 car
with a helmet on to sample the sounds (I wish!).

See my other post on F1 sim sound for my theory on sound :)

Cheers

Tony

"Greg Cisko" wrote

by **Tony Rickar** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

"Greg Cisko" wrote

Hmmm. not the best line I have ever posted on RAS, probably won't be the
worst though :)

I does mean I WILL drop GPL if something better comes along.

Ideally I would like a good selection of auto sims

Modern F1 racing
Champ car
Rally car
Historical
Touring car
Single make
Road car sims
Car chase sims
etc.

Currently there is huge variance of quality which tends to make me favour
one particular sim at this time. Hopefully this will change and the desire
for a selection of similar quality sims will be realised.

I do expect 2000 releases to be significantly better than 1998. This is what
we are used to. I don't want to stop at a 1998 sim!

Tony

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

It runs like a dream on my (non-Intel) 750MHz Athlon!
Iain

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

There is a bug with the v1.23 Guillemot drivers. If you revert to the
drivers that came on the Ferrari CD then everything is fine!
Iain

by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

So you have already tried the network part of F1 2000 and found
it to work well?

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by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

major

Well I don't know anything about those other sims. I am mainly a
modern F1 type of person. I also like SCGT (even though the
driving model is terrible the game is fun) and N3 for online play with
a friend. So I am comparing to other modern era F1 sims.
I totally expected any EA racing sim to be really horrible like
Nascar Revolution... F1 2000 is quite different and pertty
much the real deal IMHO. Shocking!

I haven't been to one I have just "trusted" what other who have
gone have said. I have been to a CART race and have great
tickets to the innaugreal US GP at indy, so I will eventually
find out myself :-)
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by **Joe McGi** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Just buy it at EB. I know a fe people who picked up this game, and
were glad to have bought it at a store where they could return it
(their complaints were poor quality graphics, poor frame-rate, and
badly done tracks).

by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> >Hmm, based on what others have said here, sounds like it is well worth
the
> >price to me.
> >Yes, I know , ain't got it yet, but do plan on picking it up this
weekend.

> Just buy it at EB. I know a fe people who picked up this game, and
> were glad to have bought it at a store where they could return it
> (their complaints were poor quality graphics, poor frame-rate, and
> badly done tracks).

All of which are bogus IMHO :-) But there is another great reason to
buy from EB. I bought it for $29 a few days ago. I went to Best Buy
and saw F1 2000 for $39.99.

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by **David R. Ericso** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Greg,

How did you get out of that message that he said GP3 will be better?
Re-read both messages closely.

I saw two answers from GraDee, one for each question the original poster
asked.

Is it just me, or are there too many posts, recently, where someone reads
too much into a post and responds inappropriately? I rarely post messages
(mostly try to grab pertinent information for my viewing pleasure) but this
type of knee-jerk response to a perfectly legitimate post has been really
bugging me lately. Maybe everyone can tone down their passions just a
little bit and be thankful for all the great driving sims/games we have to
drive/play with... ;-)

Sorry to be picking on just you Greg, as several others have been guilty of
the same thing, but I just couldn't take it anymore!

I feel better now... and again, sorry Greg... :-)

Dave Ericson
MomoBoy online
JDB Racing

> > If you want the most modern F1 sim then yes, this one is worth it.

> > GP3 will be out late summer to early autumn it seems.

> And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it
> is GP3????

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> > > Is it worth the 34.00.When is GP3 out?

by **Pierre Robitaill** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

That was his evil twin. Now, where's the *good* Fisher twin? <j/k>

> Hehe, I remember a certain Greg Cisko who hated GPL because it didn't
> have ForceFeedback....

> Remco

> >I made a big deal when F1RS was released how I would not purchase
> >a F1 game unless it modeled weather. Know what? I never ran rain
> >races in F1RS, I always set it up for sunny days. So much for insisting
> >on having weather in F1 games :-)

by **ymenar** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote

I find satisfaction at no F1 title at the moment, actually.

Maybe someday? Some of them are darn close to being satisfying to my eyes,
but have those little nitpicks (such as the poor track accuracy in F12k)
that spoils everything for me. My taste can vary with ages. RC2k has lived
past the hype and with the CFG file I can accurately model myself my
impression of Rally Racing like -I- want and -I- feel is the most realistic
possible.

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-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **ymenar** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote

Nope, and I don't feel it's a problem for me. Quite like I feel it's not a
problem for F1 2000 either. Or variable weather in RC2k. Or better weather
in Papyrus Stock-car software. It's not an essential problem for me, just
an added bonus. Now for track accuracy... that's another thing 8)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **ymenar** » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote

Some do it better than others. I've said it often, but some user-created
tracks for GP2 are the best you can find out there.

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