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F1 2000 should i buy it?

ymenar

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by ymenar » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00


This newsgroup clearly has mixed feelings.  No side is higher than the other
from what I see, with some trustful r.a.s. poster on both sides of the F1
2000 question.  Personally I feel it's very bad, but a tad superior to every
other bad title on the market.

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Alexander Mar

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Alexander Mar » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

For me it's the personal experience - I have driven on the Nurburgring, the
Hockenheimring, Spa and Monza.

Once again, experience - I have driven a Formula3 car and I've had the
chance to take a seat inside a '99 McLaren.

Well I better listen better next time then - I have been to 4 GPs last
seasons, I will be there again at the Nurburgring May 20/21... when was the
last time you visited an F1 GP ?

I always thought F1 Drivers usually want to survive the first couple of
corners, as opposed to the F12K AI

Like GP3

Iain Mackenzi

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Iain Mackenzi » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

It was Silverstone last year when Michael broke his leg.  However, it is not
from a spectators point of view that the sound should be based on.  What is
important is to listen on TV to the in-car shots, the engines make a very
diffeent high pitched whining sound from inside the***pit.

They want to survive the first couple of corners, but quite often don't!

Iain

Iain Mackenzi

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Iain Mackenzi » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

The reason is that on this GPL appreciation NG, that comparisons are quite
often made unfairly. There is a tendency for posters here to dismiss other
titles out of hand before properly testing them.  It is not always 'the
other person' who does this either. If you look at this thread, it is your
GPL person (Alexander Marx) who makes the initial reference when he said
'it's not GPL'.
As I have said on many occasions, I love GPL and have been playing it since
it came out, but I do get irritated by the constant 'nothing has or ever
will touch the greatness of GPL' brigade. There is a lot of fun to be had by
some non-GPL titles, and F12K is one of them.
Iain
Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00


It is fine with a P2 and a 12MB Voodoo2 card.

No such bug with the logitech FF wheel.

Not sure what this means, but they are far better than F1RS
(the previous modern F1 king).

IMHO the graphics are far better than any other modern F1 simulation.

I disagree about the sound. I find it much better than F1RS. Others
have posted here that it sounds quite realistic. Apparently all you
need to do is attend one Formula 1 race. Do you have other information
with regards to sound that would refute these people? Or does it
just not sound right to you?

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I agree. I liked his use of "shan't"

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> Very nicely expressed Tony.

> Andrew.



> > Well David you had a choice:

> > Help out a fellow sim player with a valid question - Should he buy
F1-2000

> > Or have yet another stab at your considered "GPL fan club"

> > You chose the latter.

> > As Andrew hadn't made the recent claim "I give newcomers advise which
> > encourages them to look at the positives of various sims, " I considered
> > your post the most ironic.

> > I guess it is a naive hope that knowledgeable members of this group
could
> > get on with some constructive discussions and help rather than get
> embroiled
> > in arguments.

> > Let me indulge in one final opinion, which I hope you take the time to
> read:

> > The GPL fan club is not a collective group. I can only speak for myself.
I
> > would LOVE a new racing sim that puts GPL on a dusty shelf. The day I
> bought
> > GPL I also bought Colin Mcrae Rally. Since that we have had RC2000 and
> Rally
> > Masters is due for release. Both of which I would argue have a place on
> the
> > rally sims HD. CMR blown away in all departments - graphics, physics,
> sound,
> > hardware support etc.

> > That is what I have come to expect & desire - top sims last a year or
so,
> to
> > be blown away by the next generation.

> > Where is the RC2000 equivalent in the racing sim genre?

> > Hence the frustration as new sims come out - even if competent - that
fail
> > to capture the imagination and demand to played at the expense of all
that
> > has gone before it.

> > Maybe expectations are too high - perhaps the racing genre has matured
> > before the Rally sims & motorbike sims - such that a revolutionary
product
> > is beyond current production.

> > I played F1GP so much - far more regularly than GPL - yet when Indycar
> came
> > out I switched immediately - for me it was a step forward. I am not so
> > engrossed with GPL that if a new sim comes out tomorrow which I think is
> > better I shan't drop GPL.

> > I don't believe the loyalty you perceive to Papyrus & GPL exists to the
> > extent you believe. I am as fickle & selfish as joe public when it comes
> to
> > computer games - probably more so cos I want the best & I want it now!

> > I don't necessarily expect you to agree with me David, but I hope it
goes
> > someway to understanding why sometimes optimism turns to disappointment
on
> > this group. There is a passion here for great products which can overide
> > rational discussion. F1-2000 is the classic case IMHO. The initial posts
> > were so optimistic - it was great etc. Then it turned out not to be so
> great
> > & the negative posts (sad ones like "It Sucks") were in abundance.
Things
> > settle down & there are good and bad posts now.

> > It is not a case of being negative from the outset - just too damned
> > optimistic IMHO.

> > Cheers

> > Tony

> > "David G Fisher" wrote

> > > And Tony Rickard wrote a post in which he:

> > > A. Ignores a fellow GPL fan club member's ONE word answers which
> preceded
> > my
> > > post, and which PREDICTABLY throw aside yet another excellent sim.

> > > B. Thinks no one will notice that I was simply copying, and by doing
so,
> > > commenting on, Andrew's childish response to the originator of this
> > thread.

> > > Nice try Tony, but you and Andrew have once again proven the points
> myself
> > > and others have been making lately about GPL'ers on this forum.

> > > David G Fisher

Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Does GPL have weather effects or not?

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00



> You forgot the worst part of F1 2000 (which killed any sense of realism
for
> me) :

> - The incredibly poor done tracks.

So which modern F1 sim properly illustrates the tracks?

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00



> > Hmm, based on what others have said here, sounds like it is well worth
the
> > price to me.
> > Yes, I know , ain't got it yet, but do plan on picking it up this
weekend.

> This newsgroup clearly has mixed feelings.  No side is higher than the
other
> from what I see, with some trustful r.a.s. poster on both sides of the F1
> 2000 question.  Personally I feel it's very bad, but a tad superior to
every
> other bad title on the market.

As far as I can remember you think every modern F1 title is bad.
So after a while you are ignored :-) Exactly which F1 sims do you
like anyway?

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Really. Give specific examples please.

No kidding. Something wrong with the***pit view? Duh.

In your opinion. IMHO the sound is quite a bit better than F1RS.

Yes it does. Are you sure you don't have other issues?

Huh... I am getting 20fps in testing and 15 fps in quick races according
to fraps. I have 22 opponants and 6 cars drawn. I am also using mirrors.
I am running the game at 800x600 on my 12 MB Voodoo2 card. I have
a lowley P2-450 with 128MB of ram. So what now... Is my PC optimized
better than yours? Haha.

Disagree.

Only when you are driving :-)

I made a big deal when F1RS was released how I would not purchase
a F1 game unless it modeled weather. Know what? I never ran rain
races in F1RS, I always set it up for sunny days. So much for insisting
on having weather in F1 games :-)

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00


And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it
is GP3????

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> > Is it worth the 34.00.When is GP3 out?

Gregor Vebl

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Gregor Vebl » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00




> > If you want the most modern F1 sim then yes, this one is worth it.

> > GP3 will be out late summer to early autumn it seems.

> And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it
> is GP3????

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There is no guarantee. But, just as we knew Falcon 4.0 will be the best
simply because it was Falcon 4.0, the same logic applies here. Now,
let's just hope the bugs will not be there in GP3 :) .

I do think F1 2000 is not simply the best of the worst, but a very fine
racing simulation in its own right! Still, somehow I have the feeling
that GP3 will be more polished. I guess it will be a close call, though,
and I think F1 2000 is one of the reasons why GP3 is being pushed back
so much.

-Gregor

Remco Moe

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Remco Moe » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hehe, I remember a certain Greg Cisko who hated GPL because it didn't
have ForceFeedback....

Remco


>I made a big deal when F1RS was released how I would not purchase
>a F1 game unless it modeled weather. Know what? I never ran rain
>races in F1RS, I always set it up for sunny days. So much for insisting
>on having weather in F1 games :-)

Greg Cisk

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00


I agree.

Possibly. If GP3 has that ridiculous framerate problem (where occupancy
over 100% produced lower laptimes while taking much longer in real time)
which plagued World Circuit and GP2, then GP3 is done before it starts.

Personally I will start there :-)

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Ashley McConnel

F1 2000 should i buy it?

by Ashley McConnel » Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Iain,

I definitely agree... I absolutely love GPL, it is an amazing game, however
people who completely dismiss the new titles coming out are definitely
missing out.  F1 2000 is an excellent game in my opinion despite its faults
(especially on Non-Intel platforms!) and should definitely be played
religiously :).  We are going to be starting a LAN championship next
weekend....and it is going to be excellent....I cant wait!

Ashley
http://www.twistedtech.co.uk


| > Why is it that everytime somebody gives a negative position about a
title,
| > the other person has to immediatly remark to him that GPL doesn't
neither
| > have it.  Where in his message did you see that the person was praising
| > GPL's weather?  Why can't you assume it's a flaw for GPL?
| >
| The reason is that on this GPL appreciation NG, that comparisons are quite
| often made unfairly. There is a tendency for posters here to dismiss other
| titles out of hand before properly testing them.  It is not always 'the
| other person' who does this either. If you look at this thread, it is your
| GPL person (Alexander Marx) who makes the initial reference when he said
| 'it's not GPL'.
| As I have said on many occasions, I love GPL and have been playing it
since
| it came out, but I do get irritated by the constant 'nothing has or ever
| will touch the greatness of GPL' brigade. There is a lot of fun to be had
by
| some non-GPL titles, and F12K is one of them.
| Iain
|
|


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