rec.autos.simulators

>> Let's not forget where this entire conversation springs from - a
>>  person who sees how pitifully his skills and times stack up
>> against the best and so to lessen the blow to his ego he does
>> the poor tradesman blaming his tools routine! :) If there's
>> anything wrong with GPL, it aint much.

> I must admit my recollection of GPL was that it blew everything
> away at the time. Like no other sim before or after in relation to
> the sims of the time.

> "alexti" wrote..
>> I think one of the problems with GPL at the time of release was that it
>> ran at about 8fps on most computers. First time I tried the demo I was
>> disappointed - it was like a slide show. After I've upgraded my
>> computer (some time later) and tried again and it was great.

>> I found was that GPL was not difficult (IMHO) as long as you were
>> driving  it as a real car. One just needed to have realistic
>> expectation - you don't jump in and go fast in those cars. I hope that
>> no one expects to get into a real '67 car and start matching times of
>> F1 drivers right away ;)

> Very true, but, judging by your history, you might get to drive one of
> these things, getting told by the owner you've got nothing to prove and
> should just enjoy the expierence, agreeing with him, then going out and
> making him shit his pants as he stands on pitwall watching you driving
> the wheels off his precious ride.

> Indeed. I'd been racing sims since 'the first' - but I uninstalled GPL
> the first day I ran it and didn't re-install for two months. For
> someone with no experience of simulations to say something is no big
> surprise, I hated it before I put the effort in. The brain needs to be
> trained to fill in those sensory gaps.

> I found was that GPL was not difficult (IMHO) as long as you were driving
> it as a real car. One just needed to have realistic expectation - you
> don't jump in and go fast in those cars. I hope that no one expects to
> get into a real '67 car and start matching times of F1 drivers right
> away ;)

> How can one drive it like ?areal car when there is no feeling as to how
> fast you are going? That's the big issue with most noobs to racing sims.
> They immediately floor it and go too fast in the corners but you can't
> blame them when there is no sensation of real speed in the games.

> The right front tyre is
> hardcoded to heat up/wear more regardless of how it's being treated/loaded
> by the particular circuit, making a "real life correct" setup/driving
> philosophy in NR2003 on ovals unfeasable (i.e. leading to exploits being
> quicker).

>> I found was that GPL was not difficult (IMHO) as long as you were
>> driving it as a real car. One just needed to have realistic expectation
>> - you don't jump in and go fast in those cars. I hope that no one
>> expects to get into a real '67 car and start matching times of F1
>> drivers right away ;)

> How can one drive it like  areal car when there is no feeling as to how
> fast you are going? That's the big issue with most noobs to racing sims.
> They immediately floor it and go too fast in the corners but you can't
> blame them when there is no sensation of real speed in the games.

> I take it you haven't driven the Isle of Man course or Dundrod (or any
> of the dozens of tracks for GPL that'll scare the pants off you), have
> you?

> I mean, I've been doing this since September 1998 and, even though I
> know "it's just a game" (lol), I still have to overcome real fear to
> push myself in the sim.

> You're going to upset a lot of LFS fanboys with statements like that.

> What?  You've never driven GPL have you?

> Bob Simpson

> You know, when most noobs get into the kart they do exactly the same - go
> too fast and end up in the tyres :) Sensation of speed in sims (or at
> least in good sims) is very close to real life (meaning that it's very
> bad in both cases). What makes sims harder is lack of sense of how much
> grip you have. But unlike real life, the surface in sims provides
> constant grip, so as soon as you get used to it, it becomes much less of
> an issue.

> I take it you haven't driven the Isle of Man course or Dundrod (or any of
> the dozens of tracks for GPL that'll scare the pants off you), have you?

> I mean, I've been doing this since September 1998 and, even though I know
> "it's just a game" (lol), I still have to overcome real fear to push myself
> in the sim.

> I can appreciate noobs not taking things seriously and bouncing off walls,
> but then again if one's not willing to apply himself, every "game" boils
> down to that. I can play Company of Heroes and not care if my soldiers live
> or die, or I can play it properly and get more out of the experience. See
> what I mean?

> Jan.
> =---