rec.autos.simulators

> There was nothing wrong with GPL in itself. It's mods prove the basic engine
> was less flawed then NR2003's, actually. Obviously, at the time (we're
> talking a decade ago, remember), a lack of knowledge about the era coupled
> with a lack of familiarity with physics engines of this level of
> sophistication by the testers conspired to make the GPL'67 implementation
> laughable by today's standards in terms of realism. However, it's still
> pretty good. Eg.: if you run a very tall 1st gear in GP mode and have to get
> the car moving again a couple times, you will break the clutch eventually,
> so a lot of attention to detail went into it.

> However much you may mock it, GPL was a quantum leap at the time and set the
> benchmark for everything which followed.

> Jan.
> =---  

>> There was nothing wrong with GPL in itself. It's mods prove the basic
>> engine was less flawed then NR2003's, actually. Obviously, at the time
>> (we're talking a decade ago, remember), a lack of knowledge about the era
>> coupled with a lack of familiarity with physics engines of this level of
>> sophistication by the testers conspired to make the GPL'67 implementation
>> laughable by today's standards in terms of realism. However, it's still
>> pretty good. Eg.: if you run a very tall 1st gear in GP mode and have to
>> get the car moving again a couple times, you will break the clutch
>> eventually, so a lot of attention to detail went into it.

>> However much you may mock it, GPL was a quantum leap at the time and set
>> the benchmark for everything which followed.

>> Jan.
>> =---

> Don't try to BS me. Ask Jackie Stewart what he thinks of GPL for the real
> facts.

> "Backspace" wrote...
>>> <snip>
>> Don't try to BS me. Ask Jackie Stewart what he thinks of GPL
>> for the real facts.

> I wouldn't dream of BS'ing you. Jackie Stewart indeed didn't like GPL '67
> when he tried it. People who're used to driving real racecars are missing a

>> http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=309713

>> As little as $13 a month for a year subscription.  That's with limited
>> content, though.  Additional cars will cost $15 and tracks will cost
>> $15 to $25.

>> Pat Dotson
>> UltraForce Simulations LLChttp://www.ultraforcesim.com

>Hi Pat,

>That 'limited content' will include everything you need to be able to
>race your first seasons though. :)

>Tim Wheatley

> I wouldn't dream of BS'ing you. Jackie Stewart indeed didn't like GPL '67
> when he tried it. People who're used to driving real racecars are missing a
> lot of sensory input the first time they drive a simulated one. It takes
> time for the brain to learn to translate the cues from the game into the
> sensations necessary to drive a car on the edge. I've talked about this at
> lenght with several drivers and they reported adaptation times of two weeks
> or more, using the sim for at least an hour every day.

> You also need to view the implementation as seperate from the engine. GPL'67
> is indeed far from perfect and a bit slippy (total grip is about ok, but the
> slip angle curve is all wrong), but the GPLEA people managed to use the same
> physics engine with some data from Dunlop someone dug up and came up with a
> much more believable virtual tyre for the '65 and '66 mod.

> His dislike may have been influenced by the fact that he tried it using
> a gamepad and not a decent set of wheel and pedals as I seem to recall,
> so all kinds of driving aids would have influenced the experience.

> Cheers, uwe

>     They wear dresses you know! He's a stupid kilty bastard! And he's
> senile!

>>     They wear dresses you know! He's a stupid kilty bastard! And he's
>> senile!

> This coming from an Aussie git where they actually think Vegemite is
> better than Marmite? Bollocks!

>Hey Tim, how about scoring me a couple iRacing.com decals for my black
>911 race car (in white)..
>8-)

>GP

>     Too slow and not worth the wait.