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by **sparadis** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:17:43

To Tim Wheatley,

OK great.... we now know the subscription pricing but not a
word about a time frame for when the product will be available. I am
sure you are aware of the other oval sim due out very soon and it
would seem to make sense to give the public a general time frame of
when your product will be available. Not looking for an exact date but
maybe just a statement like 3rd quarter of this year or something to
that effect.
Or perhaps even a statement saying the timeframe for release
is impossible to predict would be better than saying nothing about it
at all. Steve Paradise

by **Tim Wheatle** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:46:33

Hi Steve,

http://iracing.com/news_051207.htm
"Bringing a start-up to launch is always a challenge, but a satisfying
one," Gardner said. "I'm pleased to be part of a great team, and I
look forward to working with my colleagues on what promises to be a
very successful launch this spring."

Hope that helps,

Tim

by **The Real One - For Now...** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:53:48

And everyone said NROS would fail. It didn't. It was thriving.

And, btw.... NROS monthly fee was more expensive.

Sierra is what failed.

-Larry

>>> As little as $13 a month for a year subscription. That's with limited
>>> content, though. Additional cars will cost $15 and tracks will cost
>>> $15 to $25.

>>> Pat Dotson
>>> UltraForce Simulations LLC
>>> http://www.ultraforcesim.com

>> More info here

> Probably more informative than the original...

> There is a ton of rubbish being written about iRacing.

> If the pricing is too steep they won't reach the required volumes for
> viability. It is simple economics but the sim racing world has been doing
> its own thing developing add ons with no recourse to licensing or
> copyright for years since the big developers disappeared that there is an
> expectation that anything more than a one off $20 dollar outlay for
> several years entertainment is a rip off.

> iRacing is a wake up call and those who don't recall dial up bills for
> racing online and products with a short shelf life as bigger and better
> products from major developers came along don't seem to get it.

> Having a major developer with the financial acumen to develop the product
> and the foresight to move sim racing out of its little nerdy niche is a
> major opportunity IMHO.

> iRacing need to be commercially viable to push sim racing along just like
> the Boston Red Sox needed to be commercially viable to take on and beat
> the Yankees. It is not about John Henry simply pumping money in because he
> is a fellow sim enthusiast just as he is a Red Sox fan, it is about
> getting the infrastructure in place for sustainability and future growth.
> This seems to be beyond the sim racing for free attitude prevailing on
> RSC.

> Given the track record I believe they will get the sums right but it is a
> whole different model from existing titles, which is proving hard for many
> to get their heads around.

> Cheers
> Tony

by **The Real One - For Now...** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:55:24

Ah..... BULLSHIT!

I hate it when someone skims a few forums and thinks they know what they are
talking about.

by **The Real One - For Now...** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:56:00

Hehe. That last one is pretty good :)

-Larry

>> Boo the Redsox!
>> Booo Iracing LOL
>> And it's not the money it's the way DK and JH acted that has everyone
>> hating them!

> Nah, the sim community hates everyone. iRacing for behaving like a
> business, the West brothers and Stefan Casillo for not behaving like a
> business, Simbin for ripping them off with selling new titles instead of
> patching the existing ones, ISI for taking sim racers hard earned cash and
> then delaying the release, LFS developers for the worlds longest alpha,
> Geoff Crammond for slowing the world down and so on...

by **Tim Wheatle** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:01:46

I remember well my $600 phone bill and that was back in 1999 racing
GPL over a 56k dial-up paid per-minute. Them were the days. ;)

by **The Real One - For Now...** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:46:06

Hawaii - The buster of budgets for quite some time :)

-Larry

by **Tony** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:16:59

> I remember well my $600 phone bill and that was back in 1999 racing
> GPL over a 56k dial-up paid per-minute. Them were the days. ;)

A mis-spent youth in the forests of Rouen as I recall... :)

by **Tim Wheatle** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:24:58

> > I remember well my $600 phone bill and that was back in 1999 racing
> > GPL over a 56k dial-up paid per-minute. Them were the days. ;)

> A mis-spent youth in the forests of Rouen as I recall... :)

That was my first good league race. Kyalami I was sooo bad. ;) I
recall you were pretty damned fast!

by **Tony** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:32:43

>>> I remember well my $600 phone bill and that was back in 1999 racing
>>> GPL over a 56k dial-up paid per-minute. Them were the days. ;)
>> A mis-spent youth in the forests of Rouen as I recall... :)

> That was my first good league race. Kyalami I was sooo bad. ;) I
> recall you were pretty damned fast!

Ah for those formative days of GPL, it didn't take long for seemingly
everyone else to become faster!

by **fmena..** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:50:38

This should be part of the r.a.s. FAQ! Anyway I'm in charge of all
things official here :)

A little hint to iRacing : When you publically start talking about
subscription price and all, it would be also informative to start
talking about your sim and it's features. A weekly blog, each week
just add a video, a couple of in-car screenshots, gameplay, etc...
and start talking about the real reasons why you are promoting it as
the end-of-it-all sim. True physics talk, not PR bullshit, everything
about gameplay, the game engine, multiplayer, tracks, cars, etc... Or
else people start speculating and it's not good publicity.

It's time you start promoting your sim.

-- ymenard
-- official

by **MikeWh** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:51:29

This should be part of the r.a.s. FAQ! Anyway I'm in charge of all
things official here :)

A little hint to iRacing : When you publically start talking about
subscription price and all, it would be also informative to start
talking about your sim and it's features. A weekly blog, each week
just add a video, a couple of in-car screenshots, gameplay, etc...
and start talking about the real reasons why you are promoting it as
the end-of-it-all sim. True physics talk, not PR bullshit, everything
about gameplay, the game engine, multiplayer, tracks, cars, etc... Or
else people start speculating and it's not good publicity.

It's time you start promoting your sim.

========

I wouldn't believe a word of it anyway. They said all that was necessary:
try it and see for yourself. $20 for the 1st month.

by **Tony** » Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:57:52

> A little hint to iRacing : When you publically start talking about
> subscription price and all, it would be also informative to start
> talking about your sim and it's features. A weekly blog, each week
> just add a video, a couple of in-car screenshots, gameplay, etc...
> and start talking about the real reasons why you are promoting it as
> the end-of-it-all sim. True physics talk, not PR bullshit, everything
> about gameplay, the game engine, multiplayer, tracks, cars, etc... Or
> else people start speculating and it's not good publicity.

> It's time you start promoting your sim.

It may be still too early to start the marketing campaign proper, I
reckon the pricing announcement was in response to the journo spouting
off at it being less than $500, since which $500 has been the talk of
the forums. It doesn't take long before these things become gospel...

It may be too soon to reveal the commercially confident detail of how
this is all going to work.

Cheers
Tony

by **Arne Martin Guettle** » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:44:25

>>> I remember well my $600 phone bill and that was back in 1999 racing
>>> GPL over a 56k dial-up paid per-minute. Them were the days. ;)
>> A mis-spent youth in the forests of Rouen as I recall... :)

> That was my first good league race. Kyalami I was sooo bad. ;) I
> recall you were pretty damned fast!

I seem to remember I did pretty well at Rouen as well. And looking it
up, it seems I actually won! Even better than I remember :)
http://www.ukgpl.com/ukgpl/seasons/1/standings.html

Those were the days :)

--
am

by **Tony** » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:51:42

>>>> I remember well my $600 phone bill and that was back in 1999 racing
>>>> GPL over a 56k dial-up paid per-minute. Them were the days. ;)
>>> A mis-spent youth in the forests of Rouen as I recall... :)

>> That was my first good league race. Kyalami I was sooo bad. ;) I
>> recall you were pretty damned fast!

> I seem to remember I did pretty well at Rouen as well. And looking it
> up, it seems I actually won! Even better than I remember :)
> http://www.ukgpl.com/ukgpl/seasons/1/standings.html

> Those were the days :)

Arne Martin! another name from the past. Actually Tim and I were
discussing a race before UKGPL was a twinkle in anyone's eye :)

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