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by **Txl** » Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:31:01

Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point out the
following :

Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as good as
GPL
Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is just
arcade.

In this direction I would like to point out that although F1RC has been
released MUCH later than NASCAR4 the patch for F1RC "SHOULD" be there soon,
for the moment we have no indication about the NASCAR4 patch, i think we can
agree that both NASCAR4 and F1RC need a patch for various reason (AI among
others) but for just this time you will have to admit that UBI soft has
reacted quickly, quicker than Hasbro for GP3 and the split axis patch,
quicker than Papyrus/Sierra for the NASCAR4 patch.

So give the guys a break and let's see what happens next, without being too
prejudiced by the games they released BEFORE.

by **Cliff Roma** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:49:27

Basing a company on how quick a patch comes out is not correct either.

You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.. you have no idea how
much time the company is spending trying to get the patch done.

A company can come out with a patch 2 months faster than another company,
but if the patch does not fix much or just plain sucks.. then what? NH is a
perfect example of this.. what really did the first patch fix??

by **Rob Adam** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:52:00

Well of course you all know that the N4 patch is slow because Papy is
working hard completing their CART sim.

(hee hee hee...)

> Basing a company on how quick a patch comes out is not correct either.

> You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.. you have no idea how
> much time the company is spending trying to get the patch done.

> A company can come out with a patch 2 months faster than another company,
> but if the patch does not fix much or just plain sucks.. then what? NH is
a
> perfect example of this.. what really did the first patch fix??

> > Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point out
> the
> > following :

> > Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as good
> as
> > GPL
> > Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is
> just
> > arcade.

> > In this direction I would like to point out that although F1RC has been
> > released MUCH later than NASCAR4 the patch for F1RC "SHOULD" be there
> soon,
> > for the moment we have no indication about the NASCAR4 patch, i think we
> can
> > agree that both NASCAR4 and F1RC need a patch for various reason (AI
among
> > others) but for just this time you will have to admit that UBI soft has
> > reacted quickly, quicker than Hasbro for GP3 and the split axis patch,
> > quicker than Papyrus/Sierra for the NASCAR4 patch.

> > So give the guys a break and let's see what happens next, without being
> too
> > prejudiced by the games they released BEFORE.

by **Cliff Roma** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:18:10

Heh..

As much as I would like to see a CART Sim by Papy, I sure hope that they
project they are working on now is a CTS/BGN addon for N4

> Well of course you all know that the N4 patch is slow because Papy is
> working hard completing their CART sim.

> (hee hee hee...)

> > Basing a company on how quick a patch comes out is not correct either.

> > You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.. you have no idea
how
> > much time the company is spending trying to get the patch done.

> > A company can come out with a patch 2 months faster than another
company,
> > but if the patch does not fix much or just plain sucks.. then what? NH
is
> a
> > perfect example of this.. what really did the first patch fix??

> > > Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point
out
> > the
> > > following :

> > > Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as
good
> > as
> > > GPL
> > > Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is
> > just
> > > arcade.

> > > In this direction I would like to point out that although F1RC has
been
> > > released MUCH later than NASCAR4 the patch for F1RC "SHOULD" be there
> > soon,
> > > for the moment we have no indication about the NASCAR4 patch, i think
we
> > can
> > > agree that both NASCAR4 and F1RC need a patch for various reason (AI
> among
> > > others) but for just this time you will have to admit that UBI soft
has
> > > reacted quickly, quicker than Hasbro for GP3 and the split axis patch,
> > > quicker than Papyrus/Sierra for the NASCAR4 patch.

> > > So give the guys a break and let's see what happens next, without
being
> > too
> > > prejudiced by the games they released BEFORE.

by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:24:21

You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majority of
sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most realistic
sim yet when it was released. Somehow, it then became an arcade game.

David G Fisher

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 04:34:40

Don't know what sort of arcades you play in, but I sure would like to try
them!
Iain

by **Gaul** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:04:41

Based on past experience I'm sure you'll be pleased. We'll see a couple
more variations of N4 with add-ons...BGN... maybe the 2001 season tracks...
another anniversary edition or something... then N5. Really, isn't it about
time they put out something other than yet another Nascar title? I'm not
knocking N4 (got it, drive it, love it) but I'd really like to see something
else from them next.

by **ymenar** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:45:35

> Well of course you all know that the N4 patch is slow because Papy is
> working hard completing their CART sim.

It is my pure speculation, but I would say it's obvious that the patch took
some different shapes. They were probably working on preparing the patch
before even the release of N4. After the unsuspected high sales and top of
the chart list, they probably morphed the patch with the expansion pack. I
doubt there won't be one.

Let's remember that for N2 the Expansion pack iirc brought new fixes to the
game, more then the original patch.

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by **ymenar** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:46:27

> You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majority of
> sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most realistic
> sim yet when it was released.

Show me some proof

Same could be said of F1CK2000, but on the opposite.

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by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:01:41

> > You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majority
of
> > sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most
realistic
> > sim yet when it was released.

> Show me some proof

I don't have any. That's what I remember. I'm not doing a search of posts
from three years ago to back this up. No time for that type of project. I do
remember quite clearly that this newsgroup was dominated by F1RS, and people
like Alison Hine had written (on her web site) that it was fantastic and the
best yet.

David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:06:28

BTW, I wasn't a big fan of F1RS when it was released. I was slow and
reluctant to come around to it.

David G Fisher

> > > You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming
majority
> of
> > > sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most
> realistic
> > > sim yet when it was released.

> > Show me some proof

> I don't have any. That's what I remember. I'm not doing a search of posts
> from three years ago to back this up. No time for that type of project. I
do
> remember quite clearly that this newsgroup was dominated by F1RS, and
people
> like Alison Hine had written (on her web site) that it was fantastic and
the
> best yet.

> David G Fisher

by **ymenar** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:21:26

> > Show me some proof

> I don't have any. That's what I remember. I'm not doing a search of posts
> from three years ago to back this up. No time for that type of project. I
do
> remember quite clearly that this newsgroup was dominated by F1RS, and
people
> like Alison Hine had written (on her web site) that it was fantastic and
the
> best yet.

Like I said, there was an initial shock. All there was back then was arcade
F1 titles on the Playstation and of course GP2. F1RS was a visual shock.
But soon after the release of the demo, it got canned by a good majority.
That didn't stop after the final release. It was the best yet, but when the
dust came down everybody realised the major flaws in F1RS.

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **glen** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:36:54

We are stilll awaiting its realese here in Australia. Its due 30th of
Aril. I woundered with such a delay whether the version we get will
already have the patched componmets built in?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:34:40 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

>> Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is
>just
>> arcade.

>Don't know what sort of arcades you play in, but I sure would like to try
>them!
>Iain

by **Ed Solhei** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:45:28

GO AWAY!!!

ed_

David G Fisher wrote; some bull - again!

by **Don Burnett** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:09:58

1: Ubi's patch ain't out yet. :)

2: Perhaps Papy is taking their time to do it right?

--
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D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

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