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by **Don Burnett** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:13:00

> > Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point out
> the
> > following :

> > Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as good
> as
> > GPL
> > Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is
> just
> > arcade.

> You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majority of
> sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most realistic
> sim yet when it was released. Somehow, it then became an arcade game.

> David G Fisher

Really? The final version must be a hell of a lot better than the demo then,
I decided not to buy F1RS after downloading and running the demo - I liked
F12000 better.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

by **Patrick Gilmor** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:21:26

You seem to be saying that to get a proper patch to fix the issues with N4
we will have to buy an expansion pack? Does anyone else have a problem with
that besides me? I love N4 for its physics and driving model, but the AI is
seriously hosed and needs to be fixed(ya I know that's no news flash or
anything). To quote the back of the box: "Unparalleled AI: Smart Opponents
for Fierce Competition" - inside the front cover "True-to-life AI, The
competition is tough when you are up agains NASCAR pros....." I am totally
understanding that this title was rushed to market and I am sure that Papy
is working on a patch, but if I have to pay another $30.00 to get what was
advertised on the box I for one will be really pissed off.

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:33:54

What Papyrus has been doing lately is using the patch process to get the
next title
up to snuff. IF there are profound problems with N4 that Papyrus is
addressing, then it is clearly in their best interest patch the current
title and therefore save the programming
effort for whatever is coming next.
dave henrie

by **Don Burnett** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:51:46

I seriously doubt that would be the case Patrick.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

by **Patrick Gilmor** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:18:23

Well, to be honest I doubt it also but it seemed to be what ymenard was
implying. I guess I am a bit frustrated with N4 right now since it is so
close to being the best race-sim ever(IMHO) yet just about every race I run
is screwed up by the AI at the first caution period or wreck.

> I seriously doubt that would be the case Patrick.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > > It is my pure speculation, but I would say it's obvious that the patch
> > took
> > > some different shapes. They were probably working on preparing the
> patch
> > > before even the release of N4. After the unsuspected high sales and
top
> > of
> > > the chart list, they probably morphed the patch with the expansion
pack.
> > I
> > > doubt there won't be one.

> > > Let's remember that for N2 the Expansion pack iirc brought new fixes
to
> > the
> > > game, more then the original patch.

> > You seem to be saying that to get a proper patch to fix the issues with
N4
> > we will have to buy an expansion pack? Does anyone else have a problem
> with
> > that besides me? I love N4 for its physics and driving model, but the AI
> is
> > seriously hosed and needs to be fixed(ya I know that's no news flash or
> > anything). To quote the back of the box: "Unparalleled AI: Smart
Opponents
> > for Fierce Competition" - inside the front cover "True-to-life AI, The
> > competition is tough when you are up agains NASCAR pros....." I am
totally
> > understanding that this title was rushed to market and I am sure that
Papy
> > is working on a patch, but if I have to pay another $30.00 to get what
was
> > advertised on the box I for one will be really pissed off.

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:46:11

>> Heh..

>> As much as I would like to see a CART Sim by Papy, I sure hope that they
>> project they are working on now is a CTS/BGN addon for N4

>Based on past experience I'm sure you'll be pleased. We'll see a couple
>more variations of N4 with add-ons...BGN... maybe the 2001 season tracks...
>another anniversary edition or something... then N5. Really, isn't it about
>time they put out something other than yet another Nascar title? I'm not
>knocking N4 (got it, drive it, love it) but I'd really like to see something
>else from them next.

I think we all do, but Nascar seems to be the most profitable for
them.. :(
I'm not interested in Truck addons, but what I would really like is to
see some more road courses for N4.. Oval racing in N4 was fun for a
while but just doesn't do it for me. Racing on Sears or WG is
tremendous fun, but why does Nascar only have 2 road courses in it's
schedule??
Even fantasy tracks like Bullrun or Red Rock would be great for N4..

Andre

by **Txl** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:45:25

check if the game will be 1.0.0.4, this is the current version here

> We are stilll awaiting its realese here in Australia. Its due 30th of
> Aril. I woundered with such a delay whether the version we get will
> already have the patched componmets built in?

> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:34:40 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> >> Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is
> >just
> >> arcade.

> >Don't know what sort of arcades you play in, but I sure would like to try
> >them!
> >Iain

by **Rod Princ** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:47:43

says...

If you're talking about F1RC then you should start purchasing your
software elsewhere, because it's been available for close to a
month?

If you're not talking about F1RC then I have no clue what software
you're referring to. ;)

Cheers,
Rod.

by **Rod Princ** » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:32:13

> says...
> > We are stilll awaiting its realese here in Australia. Its due 30th of
> > Aril. I woundered with such a delay whether the version we get will
> > already have the patched componmets built in?

> If you're talking about F1RC then you should start purchasing your
> software elsewhere, because it's been available for close to a
> month?

Woops, then again you could be talking about N4. In fact it's
probably likely.

Silly me. ;)

Cheers,
Rod.

by **MadDAW** » Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:34:19

If you want road course then you should welcome a truck racing pack. The
truck series races a couple of other road courses besides what the Cup
series runs.

MadDAWG.

by **Cliff Roma** » Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:15:56

What would happen is even if the patch came out in a expansion pack (which I
doubt), they would still allow you to download the patch part of it for
free.

> Well, to be honest I doubt it also but it seemed to be what ymenard was
> implying. I guess I am a bit frustrated with N4 right now since it is so
> close to being the best race-sim ever(IMHO) yet just about every race I
run
> is screwed up by the AI at the first caution period or wreck.

> > I seriously doubt that would be the case Patrick.

> > --
> > Don Burnette
> > D Burnette in N4

> > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > And THAT is wrong.

> > > > It is my pure speculation, but I would say it's obvious that the
patch
> > > took
> > > > some different shapes. They were probably working on preparing the
> > patch
> > > > before even the release of N4. After the unsuspected high sales and
> top
> > > of
> > > > the chart list, they probably morphed the patch with the expansion
> pack.
> > > I
> > > > doubt there won't be one.

> > > > Let's remember that for N2 the Expansion pack iirc brought new fixes
> to
> > > the
> > > > game, more then the original patch.

> > > You seem to be saying that to get a proper patch to fix the issues
with
> N4
> > > we will have to buy an expansion pack? Does anyone else have a problem
> > with
> > > that besides me? I love N4 for its physics and driving model, but the
AI
> > is
> > > seriously hosed and needs to be fixed(ya I know that's no news flash
or
> > > anything). To quote the back of the box: "Unparalleled AI: Smart
> Opponents
> > > for Fierce Competition" - inside the front cover "True-to-life AI, The
> > > competition is tough when you are up agains NASCAR pros....." I am
> totally
> > > understanding that this title was rushed to market and I am sure that
> Papy
> > > is working on a patch, but if I have to pay another $30.00 to get what
> was
> > > advertised on the box I for one will be really pissed off.

by **Ian** » Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:11:57

I'd expect it should be, F1RS is 3 years older than F1 2000.

--
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Don Burnette wrote

by **Eldre** » Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:06:08

>You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majority of
>sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most realistic
>sim yet when it was released. Somehow, it then became an arcade game.

Did it come out *before* or *after* GPL...? :)

Eldred
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by **Andre Warrin** » Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:46:21

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:34:19 -0400, "MadDAWG"

>If you want road course then you should welcome a truck racing pack. The
>truck series races a couple of other road courses besides what the Cup
>series runs.

Nice, which road tracks are they using?

Andre

by **ymenar** » Sun, 22 Apr 2001 05:46:08

> Nice, which road tracks are they using?

The CTS trucks ran at Portland (the same one as in CART) and the Glen in
2000, but this year there is no more road courses in the series. I would
speculate that an expansion pack from Papyrus would be of last year's
schedule. Last year's schedule is so much better then the bland schedule of
2001 (they eliminated all the fun short tracks). It's a trend that will
kill NASCAR on the long run.

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