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Nascar 3 vs GPL

dbon..

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by dbon.. » Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Did anyone actually think that the multitudes of diehard GPL fans
that populate this newsgroup wouldn't ***all over N3 once it was
released? As far as physics go, lets be "realistic", isn't there
supposed to be a  huge difference in physics between a '67 F1 car with
no downforce, and a '99 stock car??
Chris Schlette

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Chris Schlette » Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Not in the world in which I inhabit.  F=ma no matter what type of car,
vehicle or object you drive, ride or what not.

However, yes there is a huge difference in how a 67 F1 car handles in
comparison to how a 99 stock car handles and a lot of that has to do with
tire compounds, aerodynamics, weight, etc.

Dan Belch

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Dan Belch » Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Well, I personally LOVE Grand Prix Legends, but I'm not crapping all over
NASCAR3.  It's a pretty good sim IMHO.  Now only if Papy would do this kind of
upgrade to IndyCar 2...

Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited

Chris Schlette

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Chris Schlette » Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:00:00

NO!!!  I don't want ICR2 with ICR2 physics/driving model and 1024x768
resolution graphics.  I want ICR2 with GPL physics engine.


Simon Mallet

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Simon Mallet » Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Physics is Physics......Handling is Handling...
of course there is a huge difference between 1967 and modern cars in terms
of handling...but the physics remain the same.
GPL has real world physics all other don't.

> Did anyone actually think that the multitudes of diehard GPL fans
> that populate this newsgroup wouldn't ***all over N3 once it was
> released? As far as physics go, lets be "realistic", isn't there
> supposed to be a  huge difference in physics between a '67 F1 car with
> no downforce, and a '99 stock car??

Wayne Hutchiso

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Wayne Hutchiso » Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Maybe it would be better to say that GPL's physics are closer to real world
than anyone elses. I doubt even Papy would say that the physics are 100%
accurate.

Wayne Hutchison


> Physics is Physics......Handling is Handling...
> of course there is a huge difference between 1967 and modern cars in terms
> of handling...but the physics remain the same.
> GPL has real world physics all other don't.




robswindell

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by robswindell » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Now there's a nice surprise. :o)


> Maybe it would be better to say that GPL's physics are closer to real world
> than anyone elses. I doubt even Papy would say that the physics are 100%
> accurate.

> Wayne Hutchison



> > Physics is Physics......Handling is Handling...
> > of course there is a huge difference between 1967 and modern cars in terms
> > of handling...but the physics remain the same.
> > GPL has real world physics all other don't.



> > > Did anyone actually think that the multitudes of diehard GPL fans
> > > that populate this newsgroup wouldn't ***all over N3 once it was
> > > released? As far as physics go, lets be "realistic", isn't there
> > > supposed to be a  huge difference in physics between a '67 F1 car with
> > > no downforce, and a '99 stock car??

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Bria

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Bria » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00

While I've been eagerly awaiting N3 here in Ottawa, Canada, I went back to
N1999 and raced at Loudon.  I haven't had that many hours with N2/N1999 and
was pretty lapping slowly,but consistently at around 31.5 seconds.  Then for
comparison, I went into GPL and ran 30 laps at Loudon (converted from
N1999) - I had a fastest lap of about 31.2 secs.

I found it interesting that my times were very close in a '67 F1 sim and a
'99 stock car sim - the BIG difference to me was the amount of concentration
required  with GPL.  My lap times varied more in GPL (31.2 to 33.1 secs)
than in N1999 (31.3 to 32 secs).

The pure driving experience was much more rewarding with GPL at Loudon than
N1999 - the overall racing experience was not so good, GPL AI are pretty bad
for the converted ovals (leaders can't seem to pass backmarkers).  The
interesting thing to ME (someone who's never driven a stockcar, 60's F1, nor
any racing car for that matter) is that GPL's handling feel at Loudon felt
really good and could easily pass as a stockcar sim's handling.  If I tried
it without a visible***pit and someone told me that it was the beta for
N4/2000, I would have believed it (except for the 5th gear of course).

Soo ... here's hoping Dave Noonan comes out with a full ICR2/N1999->GPL
converter and someone like Paul Hoad (or someone using his 3D editor)
develops a stockcar body for GPL.  Of course, a lot will still be missing
(yellow flag/pace laps, pit stops, grill tape ...).  However, I'm not sure
how many others would be interested - how many oval races have there been
recently on VROC?

Don't get me wrong, I will still get N3 and enjoy the 3D sound, force
feedback, 1024x768 resolution, ...

Brian


> Physics is Physics......Handling is Handling...
> of course there is a huge difference between 1967 and modern cars in terms
> of handling...but the physics remain the same.
> GPL has real world physics all other don't.




Dan Belch

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Dan Belch » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00

It'll be awhile before Papy could ever make that.  I just need an improved ICR2
to hold me over till they finish that.  ;)

Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited

Randy Wilso

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Randy Wilso » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00



back to

What are you waiting for? EB has had it for a week now. Got mine at EB
at Carlingwood Sept. 16.

The FFB & built in multiplayer are worth the price of
admission alone (IMHO - of course).

Considering the only "new" game I've gotten since GPL is "The Patch For
GPL", I think it's worth the $70 (CAN).

Randy

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Rexv

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Rexv » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00


What? You'd like to pay another $50 for IC2's "Eye candy and still
buggy' edition? Hey, you are on your own there.

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Rexv

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Rexv » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00


>Did anyone actually think that the multitudes of diehard GPL fans
>that populate this newsgroup wouldn't ***all over N3 once it was
>released? As far as physics go, lets be "realistic", isn't there
>supposed to be a  huge difference in physics between a '67 F1 car with
>no downforce, and a '99 stock car??

There is indeed supposed to be a huge difference, just as there is to
be a difference between a game marketted as a simulation and a game
marketted as an arcade style. N3 is definitely under the Arcade group.
I've played arcade games that let you upgrade the suspensions before
and some of those work better than N3!

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Goy Larse

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Goy Larse » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00


> Now there's a nice surprise. :o)


> > Maybe it would be better to say that GPL's physics are closer to real world
> > than anyone elses. I doubt even Papy would say that the physics are 100%
> > accurate.

Ok, I'll show my ignorance, or lack of long term memory (whichever makes
me look less stupid :-), but who's Wayne ?

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Richard Walke

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Richard Walke » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:18:02 -0400, "Wayne Hutchison"

No one currently working for Papy at least. I've still got some messages
posted by Mike L. on CSi ;-)

Cheers,
Richard

Richard Walke

Nascar 3 vs GPL

by Richard Walke » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00



Always the outsider, eh Goy? <g>

Cheers,
Richard


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