> >Ok, I'll show my ignorance, or lack of long term memory (whichever makes
> >me look less stupid :-), but who's Wayne ?
> Always the outsider, eh Goy? <g>
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Anyone care to guess what Papyrus is now working on since Nascar3 is
finished. They originally stated that they put ICR3(?) on hold till they
finished Nascar3. We know that Sierra won't allow them to make GPL2 since
GPL was a money loser.
Joel Willstein
>> >Ok, I'll show my ignorance, or lack of long term memory (whichever makes
>> >me look less stupid :-), but who's Wayne ?
>> Always the outsider, eh Goy? <g>
>Uh yeah, and the strange thing is that the more I think about it, the
>more I feel I *ought* to know this, oh well, some kind soul will someday
>tell me......:-)
Hmmm, you might just find Wayne in the below web page ;-))
I don't get any kinder than that <G>
Cheers
Mark Fisher
aka Blackrat
Brain Fade Racing
http://website.lineone.net/~black_rat/legends.htm
> While I've been eagerly awaiting N3 here in Ottawa, Canada, I went back to
> N1999 and raced at Loudon. I haven't had that many hours with N2/N1999 and
> was pretty lapping slowly,but consistently at around 31.5 seconds. Then for
> comparison, I went into GPL and ran 30 laps at Loudon (converted from
> N1999) - I had a fastest lap of about 31.2 secs.
> I found it interesting that my times were very close in a '67 F1 sim and a
> '99 stock car sim - the BIG difference to me was the amount of concentration
> required with GPL. My lap times varied more in GPL (31.2 to 33.1 secs)
> than in N1999 (31.3 to 32 secs).
> The pure driving experience was much more rewarding with GPL at Loudon than
> N1999 - the overall racing experience was not so good, GPL AI are pretty bad
> for the converted ovals (leaders can't seem to pass backmarkers). The
> interesting thing to ME (someone who's never driven a stockcar, 60's F1, nor
> any racing car for that matter) is that GPL's handling feel at Loudon felt
> really good and could easily pass as a stockcar sim's handling. If I tried
> it without a visible***pit and someone told me that it was the beta for
> N4/2000, I would have believed it (except for the 5th gear of course).
> Soo ... here's hoping Dave Noonan comes out with a full ICR2/N1999->GPL
> converter and someone like Paul Hoad (or someone using his 3D editor)
> develops a stockcar body for GPL. Of course, a lot will still be missing
> (yellow flag/pace laps, pit stops, grill tape ...). However, I'm not sure
> how many others would be interested - how many oval races have there been
> recently on VROC?
> Don't get me wrong, I will still get N3 and enjoy the 3D sound, force
> feedback, 1024x768 resolution, ...
Basically, I can easily see where oval tracks can give us a teaching
tool for the real racing of the road courses. ;-)
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> Hi Goy,
> Hmmm, you might just find Wayne in the below web page ;-))
> I don't get any kinder than that <G>
So, you getting ready to go online in N3 soon ?
No way I'm getting near a GPL track with you guys any more, not that I
mind getting beaten, but getting humiliated is not much fun :-))
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"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
>> Hi Goy,
>> Hmmm, you might just find Wayne in the below web page ;-))
>> I don't get any kinder than that <G>
>You're a kind rat Mark :-)
>So, you getting ready to go online in N3 soon ?
>No way I'm getting near a GPL track with you guys any more, not that I
>mind getting beaten, but getting humiliated is not much fun :-))
Well we are a few secs a lap faster now <G>, but that is all relevent
to the guys you race with and we have all improved at similar rates
;-)
As for on-line N3, I would like to think so, I should have the box in
my grubby mitts by Monday :-)
I don't think it will be realistic for me to actually join a league
due to work, but I would sure like some decent door to door racing
again.
Rik and I have had a little trial H2H just to see how rubbin' is
handled :-))
Cheers
Mark Fisher
aka Blackrat
Brain Fade Racing
http://website.lineone.net/~black_rat/legends.htm
Cheers!
John
Well I figure there is probably minimum 3teams working on those projects :
1) the GPL 1.2 patch. I hope it will ever be released, but I consider the
fact that it's probably a very small team that also works on other projects
at the same time.
2) Nascar Racing 4. It was never cancelled but only "postponed". It is
already in development since more than a year now, and it continues to do
so.
3) Nascar Racing 3 patch. There will be one, Im absolutely, positively
sure. So there must be a team working on this, since there is many issues,
especially on the multiplayer side of the game, that needs to be patched,
fixed or added. No Papyrus title had no patch (except SODA, but that's
another thing), so there will be one for N3, 100% sure.
As for other development teams, I have seriously no idea, I speculate and I
know rumors but that's all.
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-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
> Hi Goy,
> Well we are a few secs a lap faster now <G>, but that is all relevent
> to the guys you race with and we have all improved at similar rates
> ;-)
I have a feeling that the collition detection is much improved, I've
raced side by side with a few people, much closer than you ever could on
TEN, Stu and I was racing at Sears the other day (now there's a surprise
:-) and for a little while I was ahead (now that WAS a surprise :-) and
down through the esses Stu gave a couple of friendly nudges, got me a
tad out of shape, but nothing like N2 on TEN ever was, so on a fast
stable host, this can be a lot of fun
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"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
As to ten collision detection, yes it does appear to have improved and
it does make it more fun on-line as Rik and I found out. You can get
ten car sideways and back again where as before that was it, you were
history.
However we did question, or rather Rik did <G>, whether the cars
should be as stable as they are now, whether realism has been
sacrificed for more fun. I'm not complaining, it just makes ten racing
that much closer.
Cheers
Mark Fisher
aka Blackrat
Brain Fade Racing
http://website.lineone.net/~black_rat/legends.htm
> Yes Sears was a surprise, a third of it has disappeared <GG>, I ran
> around it and the next thing I know I am at ten last turn.
Uhm, not sure I agree with Rik here, running on my own at Wg I don't
think my car is easier to drive as such, I just feel they have improved
on the things that happen when 2 cars touch, on TEN you were history
unless you hit them square in the back, now you have a chance to catch
it, much better for online anyway
Oh, never realised before that you have a typing disorder, ten instead
of the ?
Or is that a result a few beers already :-)
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Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
>Oh, never realised before that you have a typing disorder, ten instead
>of the ?
>Or is that a result a few beers already :-)
Hehe, no beers this weeks, a long week of nights, it looks more like I
can't operate the speel chicker properly <G>.
I must say I like the way you can take a different line at a
reasonable speed and not hit the wall. But not enough time to race N3
and GPL ATM ;-).
Cheers
Mark Fisher
aka Blackrat
Brain Fade Racing
http://website.lineone.net/~black_rat/legends.htm
I sort of think it's better for online racing although I'm not 100%
convinced. It is certainly a good thing when we are driving round Dega
swapping the lead twice every lap and knowing that a minor mistake won't
end the race for either of us. But in pick ups at least, people will drive
to the limits of what is available. So I fully expect to see just as many
pointless "accidents" in N3 as there ever were with N2. And given that
league racing has just taken a huge step back.... :((
I do find that the overall feel of the car has been reduced somewhat which
is disappointing. N2 never had a great deal of finesse in the driving model
and, if anything, I find that N3 has less. Maybe when I've driven it more
I'll change my mind but so far, I find that if I just stomp on the brake
into a turn and feed the power back in any way at all, the car will get
through the turn just fine.
You need to ask? <g>
Cheers,
Richard
They probably have a lot more in common than a '99 stock car and a '99
CART car.
> I sort of think it's better for online racing although I'm not 100%
> convinced. It is certainly a good thing when we are driving round Dega
> swapping the lead twice every lap and knowing that a minor mistake won't
> end the race for either of us. But in pick ups at least, people will drive
> to the limits of what is available. So I fully expect to see just as many
> pointless "accidents" in N3 as there ever were with N2. And given that
> league racing has just taken a huge step back.... :((
As it did in N2 with the proper setup, if I understood you right, I
happen to think that the cars now "feel" heavier and the line is wider,
in N2 there was ONE line through the corner, now you can run the high
line and still keep it off the wall and maintain a decent speed, love
it, once I get to the end of my TPTCC season, I'll probably never fire
up N2/N99 again, I've even zipped up my TEN/N2 folder and are going to
archive it on a CD-r for future reference :-)
Uh, no, not really ..............
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