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Please remove spamless when replying thru e-mail.

A response to a somewhat antagonistic response....umm.

Absolutely correct I made a mistake....next time I wont go along with
a companies attempts to encourage me to buy their software. Next time
I will be more cynical.

You think that was crying...nah that wasnt crying. You havent really
seen creative crying until I get started.....trust me Im really really
good at it. The differences between Nascar1 and Nascar2 arent
significant enough for me to have gone out and purchased N2....until
they announced voodoo support.

Umm I guess we are just going about it in different ways. Your trying
to woo them into participation....Im kicking their ass for not
particiapating. The fact that we both want them participating is our
common ground.

My feelings on the matter is however simply I state the matter it
still is very much to their advantage to participate. If this board is
even somewhat similar to the flight sims board then some of the most
influential people in the hobby are here.....seems like I would want
to participate...if I had a chance.

Now if they come here and their skins are thin and they dont know how
to manage their presence then yes it can be painful....though I havent
really figured out how this gets to be more than just a minor
annoyance to anyone participating...something about "stick and stones
will break my bones but names will never hurt". Unless someone has
figured out a way to have a virtual stick with which to beat someone.
If this is the case will someone sell it to me....there are a couple
of people that need a good wacking around the flight-sims board. All a
developer needs to do to participate is be careful of promising too
much, stating dates of completion, and badmouthing the
competition...following those rules and ignoring the personal attacks
will raise the level of this board to a point that it might start to
be useful to both sides.

PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Infamous
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:26:51 +0100, Ronald Stoehr

That doesn't say much for  this news group than does it. I've only
just started coming here and some of the people here are quite
snobbish. No problem though. I just killfiled them. It's rare indeed
for me to killfile anyone in the flight-sim group. I have. But, very
rarely. Some of you need to lighten up a bit.
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Say what...this isnt a tough group...hell with only around 50 to 100
messages its hardly used. If a developer cant stand this then hire
someone that can because being here could be valuable...could be. It
will have to be built up...but consider the Flight-sims group with
upwards of 700posts a day.....and developers all over it....thats a
useful group. Thats a group that you avoid at your own peril if your a
developer. Developers with the correct attitude are getting feedback
on that board that enables them to build brilliant stuff....Andy
Hollis is perhaps THE prime example of how to handle posts. Does he
get FLAMED...oooh yea...does he cry and take his toys and go
home...nah..just add a name to the killfile...or respond. Ive seen
Andy respond to some extremely heated posters...in a calm rational
manner that disarmed the poster...thats how you deal with bastards
like me.<VBG>

Now of course with no devlopers this is basically just a clubhouse for
the users. Fun to post....fun to read..but not much use outside of
that....if the developers though made the commitment they could start
finding out what their buyers thought of their programs. Then this
group might grow into something more useful than a clubhouse for Race
Driver wanna be's...like me. hehehe.

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Infamous
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

Aw hell Ron you still sore...I promise I will work you in on the next
joke on the flight sim group that way you can feel like part of the
group....really I promise...

Group..... little Ronnie felt left out....awww..

PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Infamous
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

1) Don't slam the competition.
2) Ignore personal/rabid flames. DON'T defend yourself against them,
just ignore them.

It's as simple as that. I agree that this group is much less useful
than the flight-sim groups because of the developers failure to
participate here. The silence regarding future auto sims/updates here
is deafening.

Joe

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Why or how were you expecting a 3dfx patch? I am curious about
this since I bought the game when it was released, monitored this
NG since it's creation and never heard that there would be a 3dfx
patch... Until recently. One other thing is that I happen to know that
Nascar2 flys on a P5-166 in 640x480 at max detail. IMHO a
3dfx patch (while nice) is nowhere near needed. The graphics are
awesome in 2D, IMHO. It's not like the game is completely unplayable
(Jetfighter3) without 3D. You might get a little better graphics
but that should be about it.

This about sums it up I'm affraid. One guy who used to work
for Papy (Jim Sokoloff) was by far the best presence from
a developer here. But he got a new job. So it is a crappy
deal, but that is all we got :-)

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I hate to break in here again, but :-) The difference in framerate
from Nascar1 to Nascar2 is astounding. Is this not the case?
And for that reason alone it would be worth making the purchase.
My impression of Nascar 1 is that even on a P5-166 it is still
a pig.

IMHO :-)

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I made a post saying Papy is withholding the 3DFX patch from us and...........................
Nosferatu
Maybe Papy is withholding it, just to***you off. <g>
(Bet I can beat you at N2, right now) <g>
"Stick your Rendition where the sun don't shine."

Anyone who likes N2 and buys a 3Dfx Voodoo board, probably already has one, there.
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Interesting comment and one that I suspect is untrue or at the very
least misleading in terms of todays mass market entertainment products.
I would say it was untrue also in terms of the physics involved, but
that's not a conversation that will have any relevance to computer
simulations of real world physics for perhaps hundreds of years.

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