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GPL - why no pitting?

Benjam

GPL - why no pitting?

by Benjam » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the
pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in
practice...?

Is it just an omission or did they actually never pit in '67? There's
no way to fix something as minor as a flat tire and your race is over
even though there's really no damage - and no fuel strategy, no option
to start with a light fuel load...

Is it accurate for the time or did they just not bother with anything
for pit stops..

Soren Sarstru

GPL - why no pitting?

by Soren Sarstru » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

 Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the

Youre right, it is slightly annoying that you cant pit to fix a minor
thing. I do believe they did that in those days. However, AFAIK, races were
run without fueling stops. They just carried enough fuel to last the entire
race. Fuel strategy wasnt invented back then - Ross Brawn would have been
jobless ;-)

I believe the above to be correct - if I am not (which is frequently the
case) please correct me.

Soren Sarstrup
Birmingham UK

Andre Warrin

GPL - why no pitting?

by Andre Warrin » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Unfortunately pitting is simply not possible in GPL.
One of the most missed things in GPL I guess...

Andre


>Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the
>pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in
>practice...?

>Is it just an omission or did they actually never pit in '67? There's
>no way to fix something as minor as a flat tire and your race is over
>even though there's really no damage - and no fuel strategy, no option
>to start with a light fuel load...

>Is it accurate for the time or did they just not bother with anything
>for pit stops..

Bruce Kennewel

GPL - why no pitting?

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Benjamin, this very subject has been bandied around here for the past two
years......don't get me wrong, please, I'm not having a shot at you for not
knowing that!!

But it was very irritating to find that pitting was not available because,
back Then, pitting was more common than you would believe unless you checked
the statictics.  If drivers weren't pitting for tyres (very unusual unless
An Incident had occurred) they were pitting for Things To Be
Fixed...suspensions, electrics, brakes, oil, fuel, brake fluid, etc.

So to answer your question, "yes", pitting WAS a common aspect of
GPs....way, way before the pitstop became mandatory.  And it is irritating
that this feature is not available and that when you do suffer a bent
suspension rod or a puncture you can't have it attended to and continue the
chase.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


Juha Kallioin

GPL - why no pitting?

by Juha Kallioin » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00



>Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the
>pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in
>practice...?

Others have already answered what you can't do in pits, but there is a
reason for them too. You go to your pit to suffer any penalties you
get from cutting corners during races.

 -Juha

--

Martin Granber

GPL - why no pitting?

by Martin Granber » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00



> Others have already answered what you can't do in pits, but there is a
> reason for them too. You go to your pit to suffer any penalties you
> get from cutting corners during races.

Really? I didn't know that. I've never got such a penalty. Do you have
an example of a corner you get this in?

The only time I get called into the pit is when I jumped the start.

BTW, anyone know what the penalty for jumping the start is? Do I have
to wait a certain time or do I have to wait until the whole field has
passed me so I'm last? Haven't figured this one out.

Cheers,

/Martin

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David Kar

GPL - why no pitting?

by David Kar » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled
around a late-60s F1 Ferrari.  When I have a repairable incident, I drive
slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter, jiggle
it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R.

Flintstone's technology, but it works.  . .

--DK

PS  The above is of course, a bald lie.


> Benjamin, this very subject has been bandied around here for the past two
> years......don't get me wrong, please, I'm not having a shot at you for
not
> knowing that!!

> But it was very irritating to find that pitting was not available because,
> back Then, pitting was more common than you would believe unless you
checked
> the statictics.  If drivers weren't pitting for tyres (very unusual unless
> An Incident had occurred) they were pitting for Things To Be
> Fixed...suspensions, electrics, brakes, oil, fuel, brake fluid, etc.

> So to answer your question, "yes", pitting WAS a common aspect of
> GPs....way, way before the pitstop became mandatory.  And it is irritating
> that this feature is not available and that when you do suffer a bent
> suspension rod or a puncture you can't have it attended to and continue
the
> chase.

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------



> > Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the
> > pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in
> > practice...?

> > Is it just an omission or did they actually never pit in '67? There's
> > no way to fix something as minor as a flat tire and your race is over
> > even though there's really no damage - and no fuel strategy, no option
> > to start with a light fuel load...

> > Is it accurate for the time or did they just not bother with anything
> > for pit stops..

Don Jenning

GPL - why no pitting?

by Don Jenning » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

David Karr wrote ...

But a damn good one :-)

Han

GPL - why no pitting?

by Han » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

ROFL


>David Karr wrote ...
>> Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled
>> around a late-60s F1 Ferrari.  When I have a repairable incident, I drive
>> slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter,
jiggle
>> it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R.

>> Flintstone's technology, but it works.  . .

>> PS  The above is of course, a bald lie.

>But a damn good one :-)

GraDe

GPL - why no pitting?

by GraDe » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

No there was never pit stops but since I have to say something bad about
GPL........

.... it was sorta a cheap way out of doing o work on the pits, there cold at
least be a few men when penalties are about and I'm sure that even if you
were 20 odd laps down they'd at least attempt to fix your car. It was the
norm at the time, or am I way off as usual?

GTX_SlotCa

GPL - why no pitting?

by GTX_SlotCa » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00


 In the late 60's everyone joked about the astronauts looking in terror at
their gauges and seeing "Electrics by Lucas"

Slot

Benjam

GPL - why no pitting?

by Benjam » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:40:47 GMT, Martin Granberg


>Really? I didn't know that. I've never got such a penalty. Do you have
>an example of a corner you get this in?

>The only time I get called into the pit is when I jumped the start.

>BTW, anyone know what the penalty for jumping the start is? Do I have
>to wait a certain time or do I have to wait until the whole field has
>passed me so I'm last? Haven't figured this one out.

I know you can cut Adenauer-Forst at the 'Ring (that really slow
right,
so-sharp-if-i-dont-hear-tire-squeal-from-braking-or-gassing-i-know-i'm-in-trouble
left, right at the top of the hill after the first bridge) enough to
get a penalty, I know there are turns at Zandvoort that can be cut,
probably just about any of the tracks

The penalty for both cutting a corner and jumping the start is an
automatic DQ - no appeal, yer done, go home.....

Benjam

GPL - why no pitting?

by Benjam » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:17:50 -0600, "David Karr"


>Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled
>around a late-60s F1 Ferrari.  When I have a repairable incident, I drive
>slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter, jiggle
>it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R.

>Flintstone's technology, but it works.  . .

>--DK

LMeverlovingAO - now there's an idea I hadn't thought of - maybe a
tv/vcr with a tape of a pitstop that I could play so as to have sounds
and everything..... yeah, that'll work...
Ace

GPL - why no pitting?

by Ace » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00


>No there was never pit stops but since I have to say something bad about
>GPL........

>.... it was sorta a cheap way out of doing o work on the pits, there cold
at
>least be a few men when penalties are about and I'm sure that even if you
>were 20 odd laps down they'd at least attempt to fix your car. It was the
>norm at the time, or am I way off as usual?

Not at all. I believe at one race in 67, Graham Hill had a new BATTERY
fitted- during the race!
Stephen Warrio

GPL - why no pitting?

by Stephen Warrio » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

The penalty for these situations is not "an automatic DQ".  Instead, you get
black-flagged and your pitboard will show the message "Pit In".  You then
enter the pits, stop in your slot and wait for the board with your name on
it to disappear.  You have then served your time penalty and may proceed
with the race.

> The penalty for both cutting a corner and jumping the start is an
> automatic DQ - no appeal, yer done, go home.....


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