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Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

Alan C. Dal

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Alan C. Dal » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 02:42:40

The GTR Demo has actually left me a bit cold, and now regardless of
multiplayer I'm going to put the purchase on "hold" as far as Day 1 is
concerned, I may well "wait and see" now - something I couldn't have
imagined after trying the press demo.

Performance is a lot more demanding than I expected with 19 cars, having
to run 800x600 no AA/AF with settings set to medium just to get a
playable framerate at the start (i.e. framerate above single figures)
leaves GTR looking... well, very messy and very jaggy.

The AI seems to suffer from multiple personality disorder, once in front
of you they are aggressive in the extreme (great!) - however once behind
you they wimp out, to the point where there were areas of the track I
could slow down to 50 mph and have a trail of cars tailing me not even
trying to pass. (oh...)

Admittedly it's only semi-pro (Another disappointment) in this demo, but
I cannot for the life of me fathom why. It leaves me thinking why didn't
they want us to see the improvements made to sim mode... are there
any?... etc. etc.

Hopefully this is just over-hype expectations coming down to ground
level, but I do think that this demo may well turn some people off GTR.

Time to run through Frazier Wells in my virtual Subaru again, after that
I'll try the demo again with fresh eyes.

Your thoughts so far?

MartinKnu

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by MartinKnu » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:22:21


How would you know?

Martin.

tomr2

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by tomr2 » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:19:44

Same problems as far as AI. Other drivers are pretty wimpy after you pass
them. Had no problems with frame rate running 1024 x 768, 32bit. Couldn't
get auto-shift to work properly. Upshifts were fine.
Downshifts---non-existant.


Alan C. Dal

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Alan C. Dal » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:30:38




>>The GTR Demo has actually left me a bit cold, and now regardless of
>>multiplayer I'm going to put the purchase on "hold" as far as Day 1 is
>>concerned, I may well "wait and see" now - something I couldn't have
>>imagined after trying the press demo.

>>Performance is a lot more demanding than I expected with 19 cars, having
>>to run 800x600 no AA/AF with settings set to medium just to get a
>>playable framerate at the start (i.e. framerate above single figures)
>>leaves GTR looking... well, very messy and very jaggy.

>>The AI seems to suffer from multiple personality disorder, once in front
>>of you they are aggressive in the extreme (great!) - however once behind
>>you they wimp out, to the point where there were areas of the track I
>>could slow down to 50 mph and have a trail of cars tailing me not even
>>trying to pass. (oh...)

>>Admittedly it's only semi-pro (Another disappointment) in this demo, but
>>I cannot for the life of me fathom why. It leaves me thinking why didn't
>>they want us to see the improvements made to sim mode... are there
>>any?... etc. etc.

>>Hopefully this is just over-hype expectations coming down to ground
>>level, but I do think that this demo may well turn some people off GTR.

>>Time to run through Frazier Wells in my virtual Subaru again, after that
>>I'll try the demo again with fresh eyes.

>>Your thoughts so far?

> It's not just you.

> This is one of the most overhyped developments around right now.

I should have mentioned, thoughts from the arcade-lite, no-skills peanut
gallery are not invited :P

After a second spin around Spa I'm starting to warm to it a little.


and around 25-35fps while "solo" - Yet I can't actually SEE where this
game is demanding graphically, it looks at these settings about on par
with Nascar 2003, yet with 1/2 to 1/3 the framerate :/

AI has shown some interesting moments, but the "won't overtake you even
at 50mph" still rears it's head often, it's almost as if once a car is
so close to your backend he's tailgating you he sticks there, regardless
of you slowing down and waving the arm out the window :P. (I recall this
happening in F1C too.)

Given the kind of rig needed to play this at acceptable settings is
beyond my current budget I think I'll wait on RAS & RSC reports before
buying.

Still, With RBR still to master, Half-Life 2 weeks away AND Pro
Evolution 4 on the horizon I think I'll have plenty to play regardless
of how long I wait :|

Andi Col

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Andi Col » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:17:19

That would be like TRD2 and CMR2005 then !

Andi.

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Destro

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Destro » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:37:17

> Performance is still shocking, I've managed to trim things so I can run

> and around 25-35fps while "solo" - Yet I can't actually SEE where this
> game is demanding graphically, it looks at these settings about on par
> with Nascar 2003, yet with 1/2 to 1/3 the framerate :/

You mention not of your system specs in either of your posts.
Fcuk

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Fcuk » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:44:39




>>The GTR Demo has actually left me a bit cold, and now regardless of
>>multiplayer I'm going to put the purchase on "hold" as far as Day 1 is
>>concerned, I may well "wait and see" now - something I couldn't have
>>imagined after trying the press demo.

>>Performance is a lot more demanding than I expected with 19 cars, having
>>to run 800x600 no AA/AF with settings set to medium just to get a
>>playable framerate at the start (i.e. framerate above single figures)
>>leaves GTR looking... well, very messy and very jaggy.

>>The AI seems to suffer from multiple personality disorder, once in front
>>of you they are aggressive in the extreme (great!) - however once behind
>>you they wimp out, to the point where there were areas of the track I
>>could slow down to 50 mph and have a trail of cars tailing me not even
>>trying to pass. (oh...)

>>Admittedly it's only semi-pro (Another disappointment) in this demo, but
>>I cannot for the life of me fathom why. It leaves me thinking why didn't
>>they want us to see the improvements made to sim mode... are there
>>any?... etc. etc.

>>Hopefully this is just over-hype expectations coming down to ground
>>level, but I do think that this demo may well turn some people off GTR.

>>Time to run through Frazier Wells in my virtual Subaru again, after that
>>I'll try the demo again with fresh eyes.

>>Your thoughts so far?

> It's not just you.

> This is one of the most overhyped developments around right now.

It's a WIP! Simulation Mode is not enabled...jesus!
Alan C. Dal

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Alan C. Dal » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:48:52


>> Performance is still shocking, I've managed to trim things so I can

>> visible) and around 25-35fps while "solo" - Yet I can't actually SEE
>> where this game is demanding graphically, it looks at these settings
>> about on par with Nascar 2003, yet with 1/2 to 1/3 the framerate :/

> You mention not of your system specs in either of your posts.

Oops, Yeah I guess that would be useful, sorry.

Specs:

1 Gigabyte RAM (TwinMos PC2700)
Sapphire ATI Radeon 9600XT 128Mb "Fireblade" w/4.9 Catalyst Drivers
Windows XP Pro (SP2)
DirectX 9.0c
BRD Sim Pro Wheel & Pedals

My Windows XP set-up is ultra-trimmed, I have a pair of scripts that
start/stop all unnecessary services for when ***, and all
taskbar/resident processes killed.

For comparison, this set-up gives me 70-85fps+ in Nascar 2003 all


Alan.

JP

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by JP » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:06:25



  Agreed.  The AI is pathetic.  Having said that, hopefully the mp is good
enough that it won't matter......AI racing is ancient history anyway <g>
But I'm not holding my breath on the mp either; its the one thing Papy had
over anyone else........so far.

Alan C. Dal

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Alan C. Dal » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:28:49

Well, I must admit I was baffled.

I was reading impressions from some I respect an awful lot at RSC and
did just not seem to be seeing the same game.


I'm seriously CPU bottlenecked.

As a test I OC'd my 2500+ to 3200+ speeds (2.25Ghz) and the difference
was remarkable, from:

To confirm I put my CPU back to stock settings and pumped up the AA & AF.

free)

I also noticed very different AI behaviour at the increased framerates,
cars that were passively tailing me before at least poked their noses
around and bit me several times :P

Looks like I'm going to have to upgrade earlier than planned.

Alan.

ymenar

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by ymenar » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:34:33


> This is one of the most overhyped developments around right now.

Aaaaahhhhh... our resident troll going at it again.

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Steve Simpso

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Steve Simpso » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:02:03

Something's not right there...I've got an Athlon 3200+ and I'm getting a
minimum of 30fps when starting from the back of a grid of 20 cars.  I
haven't touched the graphics options yet.  The defaults are just fine.  I'm
running in 1024x768 but only 16bit since my 9600XT is a pretty crappy card.
Destro

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Destro » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:20:46


> I'm seriously CPU bottlenecked.

Yeah, this game is very CPU hungry during a race with lots of cars.
Joachim Trens

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:38:05


> The GTR Demo has actually left me a bit cold...
> Your thoughts so far?

IMHO they worked miracles on the tire deformation model or some other
part of the suspension or chassis, because the driving / sliding feels
pretty real to me even in semi-real mode. The physics are good fun.

The sound IMHO seems to have deteriorated since the press demo, though.

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Raphael Baraba

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Raphael Baraba » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:55:29


>   Agreed.  The AI is pathetic.  Having said that, hopefully the mp is good
> enough that it won't matter......AI racing is ancient history anyway <g>
> But I'm not holding my breath on the mp either; its the one thing Papy had
> over anyone else........so far.

It's been said that there is only one AI "personality" in the demo.
The Game will have many different drivers, all with their own driving
style.

I'm not going to judge the AI on behalf of that demo.


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