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With the default setup I managed a 2:15, but there were some major mistakes,
so I'm sure a 2:12 is possible eventually.

At first, the car was unstable and I wasn't too thrilled with how it felt.
Then I decided I'd do a little experiment and check and see what would
happen if I set up my wheel with the *exact* same settings as I do in F1C.
It instantly felt much, much better (as opposed to default settings), and I
quickly put up the 2:15. That proves to me how much this game is connected
to F1C. It's funny when I read in various forums where guys who have been
critical of F1C are trying to come up with an explanation as to why they
like this demo, and think the physics are so great. They are doing their
best to try and convince people that there's a major difference between the
two. Fact is, they were just plain wrong about F1C. They obviously just
don't like modern F1, can't come to grips with the F1 cars, or they didn't
bother to give F1C enough time due to being strangely devoted fans of other
developers.

My only problem with this sim is that the cars are so slow compared to the
F1 cars in F1C. The thrill (as with the NASCAR and TPTCC cars) just isn't
there for me. I could lap one of these GT cars with an F1 car in a handful
of laps. Schumacher said recently, "I like precise cars," he says. "I don't
like these heavy things. They
are so slow, and I think they are going too slow for me. I try always
to do more than they can do."

That's basically how I feel about any sim car that isn't an F1 jet. I enjoy
racing the other types of cars online, but offline I very quickly get bored.

I'm sure now though that GTR will be the best non-F1 sim when it's released.

David G Fisher

    Pete

On that note, the thing that has me most e***d about the GTR demo is
having a good version of Spa.  I really wish it didn't use the new
file format becuse I'd love to import it into F1C.

Jason

I'm pretty much of the same opinion. Except I would say it looks better than
and feels exactly like the GTR2002, which is, indeed, a wonderfull thing.

Even more so seeing as, once released, it's not going to be an F1 game
underneath anymore and we'll be able to have proper GT races (possibly even
online!).

You just had to be quicker than your average Joe, hadn't you? <vbg>

They've licensed the ISI/F1C physics engine, so I don't see why our wheel
settings should be any different.

There isn't, but people often confuse actual physics calculations with the
implementation, i.e. the data fed into the engine in order to simulate a
particular car/series.

Perception is a hard thing to overcome. I think F1C is a good representation
as well.

I agree, for online racing, the sort of car doesn't really matter. The
racing does.

Offline I drive to enjoy my driving and, in that respect, the modern F1s are
just a bit intense for my liking. It would take a considerable effort on my
part to get to a reasonable level with them and, seeing as my spare simming
time is limited as it is, I prefer something that's easier to pick up like
LFS or GT2002/ETCC.

Which is not to say I don't drive an F1 car now and again, badly. ;-))

It's hard to make a call like that, but it will rival NR2003/PWFTA for some.

Jan.
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I turn it down to 35% and the car instantly feels much better. It then feels
like it has some weight (like a machine made of metal instead of balsa wood
:-) ), and I can run a far smoother lap.

Of course this steering setting might not be the correct one work for other
wheels, but for my Thrustmaster Ferrari FF wheel it's what works. I'd
suggest that people try different settings and see if it helps.

My other wheel settings are 50% sensitivity for both throttle and brake, 0
speed sensivity, and 0 deadzone. In case someone doesn't know, you find
these settings on the controller screen, where there is a button on the
right called "advanced".

David G Fisher

50% is the default for the x axis sensitivity setting in both F1C and GTR.

I turn it down to 35% and the car instantly feels much better. It then feels
like it has some weight (like a machine made of metal instead of balsa wood
:-) ), and I can run a far smoother lap.

Of course this steering setting might not be the correct one work for other
wheels, but for my Thrustmaster Ferrari FF wheel it's what works. I'd
suggest that people try different settings and see if it helps.

My other wheel settings are 50% sensitivity for both throttle and brake, 0
speed sensivity, and 0 deadzone. In case someone doesn't know, you find
these settings on the controller screen, where there is a button on the
right called "advanced".

David G Fisher

For those familiar with Papy games, 50% is full linear - 0% is full
non-linear.  I prefer to run at 50% and reduce the steering lock a little if
it's too twitchy.

However, a lot can be done by tweaking the slow bump/rebound settings
and the diff. Both affect the under/oversteer behaviour considerably.

I'm using a 50/50 diff right now.

Achim

    Pete

Other than that you can sure tell it's F1C lineage.

2:15's, jeeeez.  Cant imagine making up much more time let alone 2+ seconds.
Sure is fun trying though.  I do stay on track throughout the lap, is there
a shortcut you guys take :)

Mitch

Particularly when coming off the gas there seems to be a huge throttle lag.
Maybe some controllers/Pc combos work better than others?