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Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

Alan L

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Alan L » Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:37:22

You and I know that it'd be dumb for non-simmers/casual racers to just jump
into sim mode expecting to race, but they don't know that.  Think Gran
Turismo fan that thinks driving there is a true sim.... or the guy that
wrote that PC Game World review of RBR.  Show people a simulation mode, and
that's what they'll probably go for.  Sure, they want to have immediate
racing fun, but they also want the satisfaction of not settling for anything
less than "real."  It's silly, I know.  If there's no choice though, they're
less likely to care if the physics are dumbed down a bit.

Just think of it this way... have you ever played GT with the "simulation"
tires?  They're more demanding than the other tires and require more
attention to one's inputs.  For argument's sake, let's say they definitively
are more representative of real life.  I'm guessing most players didn't
switch to those once they discovered them, and though we'll never know, I
don't think GT would've done as well if that was the default tire.

Alan

Fcuk

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Fcuk » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 04:07:50




>>It's a WIP! Simulation Mode is not enabled...jesus!

>     Yeah, but why is sim mode disabled?

it's not finished yet?
Jussi Koukk

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Jussi Koukk » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:32:35


wrote something like:

I got this in the previous demo if I had vertical sync on. Turning it
off helped. Apparently it's an Ati thing (I have a 9800Pro), as I
didn't get this with the GF4 that I used to have.
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Badmuther #

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Badmuther # » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:29:34

Neither will I . What do you expect a Demo to be ? A demostration of  a
upcoming
release.......geez

Steve Simpso

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Steve Simpso » Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:01:54

That's right.  Your average 15 year old wants to jump straight in and play
simulation mode but he also wants to be good at it straight away.  If he has
trouble controlling it he will immediately tell all his friends that it
'sux'.
Joachim Trens

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:18:09


> ...Your average 15 year old wants to jump straight in and play
> simulation mode but he also wants to be good at it straight away.
> If he has > trouble controlling it he will immediately tell all
> his friends that it 'sux'.

In the light of that statement, does the omission of the simulation mode
in the demo indicate that GTR was mainly made for 15 year olds? ;)

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David G Fishe

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by David G Fishe » Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:04:10

The average 15 year old will usually beat a lot of serious 40 year old
simmers.

The 40 year old simmers will tell everyone it's hard to control because they
need to feel it's super realistic, and they don't want their friends and
family to think they are actually doing the exact same thing as the 15 year
olds.

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Mike Beaucham

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Mike Beaucham » Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:36:04

I agree that the starforce thing is stupid... Especially since I don't think
it stops piracy at all, does it? I don't know what games already have
starforce, but it seems to me like you can't stop piracy.

If you DO want to buy GTR but hate starforce, why not just buy the game and
then download the pirated version? :)

I give you cred for not buyin' GTR because of the obsurd copyprotection
though... I haven't even had time to install that demo (with no simulation
mode, wtf? pretty stupid for a game whose marketing is based on realism)..
i've been playin' RBR too much lately :) Just got done the Professional
Chamionship with the 206. 50 points... I dropped out of France on the first
stage when I hit a tree. I'm no good at tarmac.

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com




>> I think I will skip GTR. One has to make a statement, however small and
>> insignificant, against such intrusions and manipulation of one's private
>> property.

> I for one admire your honesty and integrity, in fact so much so that I
> am going to follow suit.

> We must make a stand people.

Richard S Becket

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Richard S Becket » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:13:34



Speak for yourself! I turn 40 next week, and I can still kick ass when it
comes to video games. There aren't many kids out there that can beat me! ;-)

Although I did get beaten at beach volleyball on the PS2 - but if you've
ever seen it you'll know what was distracting me! :-P

R.

Steve Simpso

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Steve Simpso » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:15:50

What a crock.  I meant the average 15 year old gamer.  The aren't many 15
year old simmers around, but I'm sure there's a few that are very talented.
I think you need some perspective.

Joachim Trens

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Joachim Trens » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:47:08


> I usually agree with a lmost of your views on sims, setups, etc., but these
> cars just seem very boring to drive. Do you really get a rush driving that
> car on that track?

...
Do I get a rush - to be honest, no. But I found the car's handling well
balanced and feeling real.

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David G Fishe

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by David G Fishe » Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:44:50



Nothing better in sim racing than ripping through a few dozen laps in the F1
cars, hitting all your marks, and not making any (serious) mistakes. :-)

The TA cars, on fast tracks, are a lot of fun too though.

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David G Fisher

Steve Simpso

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Steve Simpso » Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:12:25

Yes.  Simbin said that this demo is targeted at game magazine cover CDs.

ZZ

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by ZZ » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:27:47

The average 15 year old will usually beat a lot of serious 40 year old
simmers.

The 40 year old simmers will tell everyone it's hard to control because they
need to feel it's super realistic, and they don't want their friends and
family to think they are actually doing the exact same thing as the 15 year
olds.

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That's Dave's excuse, and he's sticking with it.   ;-)

That's a joke son.

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Byron Forbe

Is it just me? (GTR Demo)

by Byron Forbe » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:09:58





> >>It's a WIP! Simulation Mode is not enabled...jesus!

> >     Yeah, but why is sim mode disabled?

> it's not finished yet?

    But wasn't that press demo in sim mode? I'm always suspicious of demos
that aren't "demos" at all! Something to hide?

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